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TaylorRoyals27

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This is a trick im working on called THE MAVERICK its quick but i feel it needs something else does anyone have any ideas or tips to improve.....

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4ARd7H_5i/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

P.s. looks pretty much the same in person minus some bad angles

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If he's not ditching, then it seems he's holding something unexaminable. I think the trick that Paul Wilson sells, from Shade, is better. You end with examinable cards. It's actually a Don England item that Paul inadvertently re-invented. 

I think the method from Shade was totally gaffed, but the item I'm talking about is a practical version with nearly the same effect in which you "go south" with a tiny gimmick and end with examinable cards.

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He's (i'm) not ditching! In fact this is the product of trying to get rid of the ditch in the first version! But you're correct that it is not clean what so ever at the end. I came up with this concept btw. Ive been a purest for slieght for close to 18 yrs just started in on the gimmick side of things and im still on the fence on whether i like them or not. One of my biggest pet peeves is ending a trick dirty. But in saying that i know a few working magicians that only work gimmicked and gaffed and see it as a "waste of time" to learn slieghts. It rubs me raw every time and its one of the few reasons i started trying gimmicks!! I was trying to get an understanding of them. The effect is great usually but once again I HATE BEING LEFT DIRTY AND UNEXAMINABLE



Thank you mike i really appreciate your response. Being new to The Magicians Forum i am humble by all of the knowledge within these hallowed walls of the interweb

This is where it started
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtiCDBMH2BS/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=myd5whz0ig8h

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Would it be possible to introduce the deck and after the vanish show duplicate clean KD AS KS QS 10S on top of the deck? You can then dump the gimmick

Given you vanished those cards for me it brings things full circle if you bring them back.

Of course I am making a guess about the method and gimmick and this may not be practical with your method.

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WAYNE MY MAN!!!
 Thank you this a very helpful bit of advice I begrudgingly have to admit didn't cross my mind. I will try to work out the logistics of this and post again the progress. Thank you much for your incite!!
 

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I think Wayne is exactly right in proposing that the missing cards should be brought back at the end. That also will likely provide a fairly natural way to switch the gaff for the real AS. Then you're extended the routine in a really natural way, and ended clean. Win - win!

A simple way would be to have the dupes of the missing cards reversed in the deck with the AS in the middle. You could then use TILT to seemingly put the AS in the middle of the deck. Then spread and find the AS has attracted the missing cards... Now you're clean, but the deck is slightly dirty. A palm can finish the cleanup. The heat is on the cards and not the deck anyway.


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I don't know enough card magic to be of help there ...

But I will say I enjoyed it! I especially liked the spin your body english put on it!

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I am humbled to get this many responses to my first topic!! I feel that incorporating the full deck and bringing back the cards are key to making this a great illusion! I literally had someone tonight ask yeah but wheres the other cards when showing them so you guys are dead on the nail! Im still working the logistics of it all but will post something soon !!!


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He's (i'm) not ditching! In fact this is the product of trying to get rid of the ditch in the first version! But you're correct that it is not clean what so ever at the end. I came up with this concept btw. Ive been a purest for slieght for close to 18 yrs just started in on the gimmick side of things and im still on the fence on whether i like them or not. One of my biggest pet peeves is ending a trick dirty. But in saying that i know a few working magicians that only work gimmicked and gaffed and see it as a "waste of time" to learn slieghts. It rubs me raw every time and its one of the few reasons i started trying gimmicks!! I was trying to get an understanding of them. The effect is great usually but once again I HATE BEING LEFT DIRTY AND UNEXAMINABLE



Thank you mike i really appreciate your response. Being new to The Magicians Forum i am humble by all of the knowledge within these hallowed walls of the interweb

This is where it started
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtiCDBMH2BS/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=myd5whz0ig8h


A few things.  A. ending clean or dirty is a better concept in the mind of the spectator.  It doesn't matter if you end 'dirty' or 'clean' as long as the spectator believes it to be clean.  And there are instances where you may end clean but the spectator doesn't think so, and in those situations the magic is ruined as if you ended dirty. 

Gimmicks are wonderful, but like everything else they are a tool to be used when and if...

I would love to see this in the context of a routine. I don't think I would ever start anything with a few cards in a perfectly aligned spread like that.   how do you get into this effect or is it one of those for magicians who just show trick after trick with no real routine? 

I do like the concept.  

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Its a work in progress. It needs fine tuning and but the effect is what was being portrayed in the video.
 Thank you for your response


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I have long felt there is a palpable stench in the air when a trick ends dirty. This goes for seasoned pros as well as beginners.
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I whole Heartedly agree!! Just needed ideas on where to go from here for as i was stuck!
To say the least ending dirty makes me feel like what it is DIRTY!!!!!
 Thank you for your feedback.
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I have long felt there is a palpable stench in the air when a trick ends dirty. This goes for seasoned pros as well as beginners.


I understand where you’re coming from. I rarely use gaffed decks for that reason.

With that said, I have noticed something interesting. When I perform a packet trick called “queens out of control“, it ends with cards that were previously all red backed, transforming into cards with wild colored backs. You would think that the spectators would want to jump on those card to see if they are legit.

They NEVER do. I’ve done that trick hundreds of times for all sorts of people (young, old, sober, drunk) and practically have to hand the cards out and tell people to “look at them and see that they are not trick cards.”

I do the same think with a color changing deck routine that utilizes some cards from the old Elussionist gaff deck. Specifically, the ones that have a red backed card with a blue thumbprint and another one with a three finger smear. The spectators never try to examine them.

What’s up with that? Is it that the trick is so well structured that people are already convinced that they’re not gaffed and therefore no need to examine them?

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Rudy - I think it's because people are basically polite. That combined with the fact that the cards are handled so casually.

I did a color changing deck for some engineers from Notre Dame at a restaurant one time. One of them asked me if the method was chemical! 

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Rudy - I think it's because people are basically polite. That combined with the fact that the cards are handled so casually.

I did a color changing deck for some engineers from Notre Dame at a restaurant one time. One of them asked me if the method was chemical! 

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That could definitely be true, Mike (people just being polite).

I am currently working on a trick by Joshua Jay that uses a very gaffed deck of cards. It’s one of the few tricks that I believe is good enough to move be passed me reluctancy to use gaffed decks.

There is a casualness in the handling that I hope will dissuade people from trying to reach for the cards.

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I did a color changing deck for some engineers from Notre Dame at a restaurant one time. One of them asked me if the method was chemical! 

Mike


This is hilarious! The smartest people get fooled by their own brain power sometimes!!!!

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Nice performance!  My only tip would be not to perform this for magicians, because it’s obvious from the start that you’re holding a gimmick.

That said, Wayne T's idea of showing the other related cards on top of the deck (in order to ditch the gimmick) is very good indeed!


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