Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #1 
Hello, I'm a beginner in the area. May you help me somehow - where should I start, what subjects should I know etc... I bought Peter turner's 1-11 mentalism master class. Is that a good starting for me? I just implemented some principals of card forces. It wasn't really worked to me as I expected, what should I do? Or, how to work on it?

Thank you

__________________
E.W
0
MagickDon

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 53
Reply with quote  #2 
It would be helpful if we knew something about yourself and your background in magic in order to help you better. You could start by reviewing this category here @ TMF.
__________________
Don

"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."  (Albert Einstein)
 
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #3 
I am a card magician. I am interested to change my approach - to learn the basics of mentalism and combine it with my stuff, or maybe use mentalism itself.
__________________
E.W
0
Tom G

Inner Circle - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 901
Reply with quote  #4 
For learning some basics and good material, look at work by Bob Cassidy and Richard Osterlind.  I would think the Turner Master Class is quite advanced.
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #5 
Ok, thank you
__________________
E.W
0
Mbreggar

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 289
Reply with quote  #6 
I fully agree with Tom. For now, stay away from Turner. Bob Cassidy has a great series "The Art of Mentalism" which is one of the best places to start. Also, While Richard Osterlind's DVDs tend to be mentalism trick after trick, they are, for the most part, great tricks. I think his "Easy to Master Mentalism" series (L&L) is fabulous and much overlooked. His "Mind Mysteries" series is fabulous for the first two disks, then it peters out significantly. Also, I recommend you watch Banachek's Psi series and Ross Johnson's Penguin live lecture. Finally, most of the works by Max Maven are worth spending time with. He has thought about mentalism as an art form for so long it is great to see how brings these insights together to create a great magical experience. Check out "Prism" and his new boxed set "Keyfabe"

Oh .. one or two more thoughts...you mentioned you started with cards and want to move to mentalism. You should definitively check out Paul Hallas' great "Mentalism With Cards". Paul is a denizen of this forum and, like most members on this site, very approachable and willing to help and answer questions. It is a terrific book, full of solid tricks and more solid and useful theory. Very highly recommended. And finally, the works of Ted Annemann bear review. His "Practical Mental Effects" book is, perhaps, the second most read and reread book in my magic collection (Harry Lorayne's "Close Up Card Magic" is number 1, Hugard's "Royal Road to Card Magic" is number 3, followed by Tarbell #1 and #7, John Bannon's "High Calibre", Nick Trost's "Subtle Card Creations" Volume 1).

I know that is a LOT to read and comprehend. But mentalism is not easy (performance-wise).
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #7 
Ok, I will check it out. Thank you very much
__________________
E.W
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #8 
Where may I find Cassidy's "The Artful Mentalism" Vol.1 and Vol.2?
__________________
E.W
0
MagickDon

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 53
Reply with quote  #9 
Penguin Magic has quite a selection of Cassidy's work. DVDs, CDs, Books etc. on Artful Mentalism. I know they have volume 2 of the book.
__________________
Don

"The most incomprehensible thing about the world is that it is comprehensible."  (Albert Einstein)
 
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChefDon
Penguin Magic has quite a selection of Cassidy's work. DVDs, CDs, Books etc. on Artful Mentalism. I know they have volume 2 of the book.

Yes, Ok, I just didn't find the first one.

__________________
E.W
0
Mbreggar

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 289
Reply with quote  #11 
Check Lybrary.com and Jheff Poncher’s marketplaceofthemind. The “artful mentalism of bob cassidy” series collects his older material (including the theee volumes of the Art of Mentalism) plus a bunch of very strong essays
Don’t buy #2 until you read #1
0
Mbreggar

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 289
Reply with quote  #12 
That’s what I was referring to. Vol 2 and 3 (if also available ) make the complete set
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #13 
Ok, thank you
__________________
E.W
0
tomzini

Member
Registered:
Posts: 11
Reply with quote  #14 
Get Osterlind's 13 Steps to Mentalism and Banachek's Psi series DVD sets.
0
Nathan_himself

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #15 

A tad late to the party on this one, but I do have a few thoughts on this particular topic. I think the first thing to do is find out what style and genre of mentalism you want to perform. I see a lot of guys cross over to mentalism not really knowing what they are going for, so they try this "jack of all trades" mentality for a while. My first suggestion is to stay out f the deep water until you have a basic idea of how to present mentalism. Although I love the work of Bob Cassidy, his work can be quite dense for a beginner. I highly suggest starting with a more contemporary artist and working backwards. 

 

My suggestion would be looking into the work of Pablo Amira. He has a very minimalist style of mentalism and has been influenced by the greats. It's easy to see where his work comes from. I would suggest getting his B'Cards book and 52. B'cards is all about mentalism that you can do with blank business cards. This isn't billet work, this is blank business cards that are never folded. 52 is mentalism with playing cards. These are a great place to start with close up mentalism. 

If you are looking to start doing stand up mentalism, I could not recommend the work of Luke Jermay and Max Maven enough. These are my personal heroes and guys that have produced some of the strongest mentalism ever created. I recomend starting with their penguin live lectures to get a grasp on their work and then diving deeper. 

I also cant forget to mention Banachek Psychological Subtleties. These are must reads for any mentalist.  

 

After that I would suggest looking into the following people (in no particular order): Bob Cassidy, Patrick Redford, Richard Osterlind, Banachek, Phil Smith, Marc Paul, Ken Dyne, Peter Turner, Paul Brook, Docc Hilford, and so many more. 

 

Before I get yelled out for leaving off 13 steps or Annemann, I believe these are not for beginners. I think they are a great resource to look back on once you find your footwork with the art. 


__________________
Fortune favors the bold. 
0
Socrates

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 665
Reply with quote  #16 
Some great advice so far...

Larry Becker has also created a number of books which are suitable for the magician looking to move into mentalism, you can find them here:

https://www.lybrary.com/larry-becker-m-533.html
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #17 
Thank you very much. I've already got the three first books from "The Artful Mentalism". I have just started on working on it. Simultaneously, many mentalists who are friends of mine suggested me to get "Psychological Subtitles" of Banachek. After having some experience with the basics I want to learn about some close up-propless mentalism.
__________________
E.W
0
RayJ

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 511
Reply with quote  #18 
Out of my realm here but I will offer one bit of advice.  Work on your "character".  How do you want your audience to perceive you?  The few mentalists I've seen tried to establish a "presence" and that "presence" was helped along by their choice of dress, mannerisms, etc.  One mentalist I saw recently was a university student and used that fact as the backdrop for all of his "experiments".  It played pretty well.  So think about it, build up your "character", whatever that is, and make yourself a key component of the performance.  Good Luck!
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,066
Reply with quote  #19 
Don't overlook Raj Madhok's ebook, Mysteriouser and Mysteriouser. There are several nice, impromptu mentalism routines contained therein, including a couple of my favorites, The Invisible Book Test and Best of Friends. Both use only some business cards and a pen or pencil.

Av  
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #20 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayJ
Out of my realm here but I will offer one bit of advice.  Work on your "character".  How do you want your audience to perceive you?  The few mentalists I've seen tried to establish a "presence" and that "presence" was helped along by their choice of dress, mannerisms, etc.  One mentalist I saw recently was a university student and used that fact as the backdrop for all of his "experiments".  It played pretty well.  So think about it, build up your "character", whatever that is, and make yourself a key component of the performance.  Good Luck!

Thank you

__________________
E.W
0
Nathan_himself

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #21 
Qrt, shoot me a PM sometime. I'd love to talk with you about propless mentalism with you and give you some of my thoughts and ideas on how to learn and incorporate it into your performances!
__________________
Fortune favors the bold. 
0
Qrt727

Member
Registered:
Posts: 25
Reply with quote  #22 
Ok, thank you very much.
__________________
E.W
0
Aljaz

Member
Registered:
Posts: 12
Reply with quote  #23 
Hi, Nathan_himself,
I was just wondering if you maybe have time to talk about mentalism with me sometime, I've been play with cards for years, was doing some "mentalism" with cards. I never started with impromptu mentalism, but would to.
Thank you in advance 😉
0
Nathan_himself

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 135
Reply with quote  #24 
No probelm, Aljaz. My advice above is probably is what I will probably repeat . But if you have any specific questions, just shoot me a PM!
__________________
Fortune favors the bold. 
0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.