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KenTheriot

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I have been working on producing coins from edge grip. The technique I've been practicing comes from Kainoa's "Coins on Edge." I'm not quite there with it and before I double-down on practicing this particular method, I thought I'd ask a question here.

The person in the video below is fantastic! I would dearly love to know the technique he is using. Does anyone have any ideas? Here is the video:



I'd be grateful for any tips.

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David Roth has quite a bit of work on edge grip in his book.
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David Roth has quite a bit of work on edge grip in his book.


Thanks. I do have that, but Roth doesn't do a 1-handed production from EG, I don't think. That's what I am looking for.

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Expert Coin Magic- Roth
Coinmagic- Kaufman
Unexplainable Acts- Kurtz
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In addition to the excellent sources already cited, I learned the edge grip from The Amateur Magician's Handbook by Henry Hay, because the author insisted that it was necessary to advance beyond the cradle stage with coins. (Spent a great deal of time practicing, but never really found a use for the sleight and eventually let it go.) My copy of the book is stored in a box of rarely used magic books, but as I recall the instructions were thorough and included productions.  
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Amateur Magicians Handbook is a great book. Lots of good magic in there.  Gary Kurtz' coin work is unique, so great.

Just thought I'd say that. Magic is fun . I'm at the coffee shop now where i do my magic practice every morning.
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Thanks guys. I have all of those books. Just for clarification - for others who may come across this thread - none of those books discusses a one-handed production of the bottom coin in a stack held in Edge Grip. The Roth and Kaufman books talk a lot about EG, but all productions are "drops" of the bottom coin into the other hand. This is also used in Gary Kurtz's "Trio," which I am also working on at the moment[smile]. Henry Hay's Amateur Magician's Handbook uses Edge Palm, not Edge Grip. This is a very different thing.

All the stuff above is excellent for sure. But I'm looking for something very specific. In the video I posted above, you'll see that he starts with the palm looking totally empty - the primary benefit of Edge Grip. And then from that hand, he produces coins one at a time without dropping them (a la Roth) into the other hand. 

The move I'm working on is used by Geoff Latta in his "A Trick With 3 Coins." The way he (as well as Kainoa Harbottle) use EG is different from Roth. The coin is much further back toward the palm - almost in a low (middle finger) Down's Palm but with a little daylight between the coin and the webbing between thumb and forefinger.

I hope that made sense. 

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My mistake. I was, as noted, working from memory and obviously the memory banks weren't properly firing when I posted!

Have you considered dropping an inquiry over at the Genii Forum? The hive mind over there is amazingly responsive when properly activated.
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Oh, that's no problem at all. I appreciate the tip as all of these techniques are excellent. The more I watch the video above, the more I am convinced that Kainoa Harbottle's technique is the right one. So I'm doubling down on my practice time for it. If anyone else is interested, the technique is in Kainoa's pdf - "Coins On Edge." And if anyone has access to Reel Magic'c Lectures, he talks a little bit about it in there.

I'll post a video on the site here in case anyone is interested, as soon as I get it down well enough:-P.

Cheers!

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OK everyone who is interested - I found the resource! the person in the video above is Giacomo Bertini. His Edge Grip Production is from his DVD "Revolutionary Coin Technique." I just purchased it. Woohoo[smile].

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One more thing - the basics of this move are actually in Arthur Buckley's "Principles and Deceptions," pages 61-63. That's from Down's Palm and "Lower Down's Palm,' but the moves are VERY similar and functionally the same. Bertini says that he moves the stack from Curl Palm to Edge Grip (David Roth's more forward EG). And somewhere in between the two is the Kainoa Harbottle EG.

Just in case anyone was interested[smile].

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Principles and Deceptions coming off the shelf tonight!

Thanks Ken.

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You're welcome James!

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Wow! That is nice. I really dont have anything to add to the conversation but I appreciate it. I will be making a list of all the books and DVDs mentioned and researching them.
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hello the performer and creator of that kind of handling on productions is called GIACOMO BERTiNI you can buy his videos [wink] hope this helps

have a great day [biggrin]
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Already bought it[smile]. It's gonna take a lot of practice[smile]

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Ken
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