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Soooooo many of the coin tricks I know have two major drawbacks. They either require a table or they are so angle-y that you could never do them surrounded.

I have a few tricks that work well impromptu, while standing, without a table, and can be done very close up and at least nearly surrounded. But I'd love to have more of these in my repertoire. 

If anyone has coin tricks like this, would you mind sharing? I'll start.

1. Tenkai Pennies (which I usually do with quarters or halfs).
2. Mr. Clean coins across (basically quite similar to Tenkai Pennies but with 3 coins instead of 2)
3. Williamson Striking Vanish - usually with a pen or pencil.
4. Simple quick vanishes and reproductions:
  -- One I like doing is a quick dead-simple vanish, showing hand empty, doing a L'Homme Masque load, and producing the coin. 
5. 3-Fly (not totally surrounded-proof, but pretty close)
6. One-handed change - I use MB's Crimp Change
7. Flurry (Roth one-coin routine)

I'd love to hear what other folks can add to this list.

Cheers!

Ken

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Of the very few coin effects I actually perform, Gregory Wilson's Copper/Silver is a peach. Using only (ostensibly) a penny and a dime, the effect is the transposition of coins between the hands of the performer and spectator. The sleights are simple: a Bobo switch and a palm change. It's on his DVD On The Spot. I do not recall what he calls it, but IIRC it is the first effect on the DVD. (My copy is in a storage box somewhere or I'd look it up.) I suppose you could perform it with half dollars and English pennies, but part of the charm, at least for me, is that it uses common objects that can even be borrowed.
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Kirk Charles has a book you might find interesting ...  "Standing Up Surrounded"
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Nathan Kranzo has a silver, copper, brass that can be done this  way, and also uses no gaffs. I found it in a Penguin magic monthly magazine.

Since you do the Roth flurry and a three fly surrounded, i'd say you are doing really well.


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I posted this to the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on October 1, 2004:

 

 

Progressive Production

 

This effect by Bob Carver appears on page 377 of Bobo "The New Modern Coin Magic" (it's not in the first edition or the paperback Dover version) and with some modifications I've made in the presentation (I have two different presentations) , it's become one of my favorite impromptu effects.

 

In both presentations it's just something that happens - I'm not doing a trick.

 

In the method, the only thing I've added is the production of the first and second coins. I  use the spectator's coin for the first. I'll explain my production of the second coin below - the third, fourth and fifth follow Bob Carver's routine.

 

I have two presentations as follows:

 

1          I ask a spectator for a quarter and when I get it, it becomes two, then three, then four and then five. Then, as if this is a natural way to get money and not a magic effect, I use the line that comes from one Vernon attributes to Malini (See Dai Vernon Book of Magic page 106) as I give the lender back her quarter, "Thanks, I needed quarters." as I put the other four in my pocket.

 

2          I note a quarter in a spectator's purse or on the table and say, "Oh there's one!" (As if the quarter is a special one. I use this line for several effects. I'll  publish one with a rock in a few months). I then make her quarter two, then three, then four and then five and I let her keep them all. (For the frugal it can be done with nickels.)

 

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Ken,

Hanging Coins can be very angle friendly.
Spellbound is another
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Kirk Charles has a book you might find interesting ...  "Standing Up Surrounded"


Thanks! That sounds like it's exactly what I'm talking about.

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Ken, Hanging Coins can be very angle friendly. Spellbound is another


Really Rick? I find Spellbound to be very NOT angle friendly - at least not the moves that require the coin to drop. What's your secret?

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Ken, Hanging Coins can be very angle friendly. Spellbound is another


I do agree that Hanging Coins is a good one. Thanks for that suggestion. I did that for my SAM audition:-P.

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Thanks Michael and Anthony and everyone else!

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Really Rick? I find Spellbound to be very NOT angle friendly - at least not the moves that require the coin to drop. What's your secret?

Ken


I guess I need to know what you mean by surrounded.  You can get away with a bunch of moves with probably 180 degrees.

I don't know. I do often have people in a large unorganized group, but they are all still mostly in front of me.
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Rick,

Yeah, I usually have folks more in front than behind. But lately when I've been in a position to do something, there has been someone to my immediate right or left. The one SB move I often do involves the drop, which is VERY visible on the side. Don't you find that? I did some thinking about it though and remembered part of one of the Roth SB moves that don't involve a drop, but rather an exchange of the coins. I could alter the move I currently do to avoid the drop, which should render it totally "surrounded-do-able." :-).

Thanks for making me think about that!

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You could also try just taking one big step backward.

Once all attention is on you and they know you're about to do something, just say, "ok, now watch...let me step back so everyone can see" you've now open up your angles just a little bit on either side.
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I posted this to the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum on October 1, 2004:

 Progressive Production

 This effect by Bob Carver appears on page 377 of Bobo "The New Modern Coin Magic" (it's not in the first edition or the paperback Dover version) and with some modifications I've made in the presentation (I have two different presentations) , it's become one of my favorite impromptu effects.

 In both presentations it's just something that happens - I'm not doing a trick.

 In the method, the only thing I've added is the production of the first and second coins. I  use the spectator's coin for the first. I'll explain my production of the second coin below - the third, fourth and fifth follow Bob Carver's routine.

 I have two presentations as follows:

 1          I ask a spectator for a quarter and when I get it, it becomes two, then three, then four and then five. Then, as if this is a natural way to get money and not a magic effect, I use the line that comes from one Vernon attributes to Malini (See Dai Vernon Book of Magic page 106) as I give the lender back her quarter, "Thanks, I needed quarters." as I put the other four in my pocket.

 2          I note a quarter in a spectator's purse or on the table and say, "Oh there's one!" (As if the quarter is a special one. I use this line for several effects. I'll  publish one with a rock in a few months). I then make her quarter two, then three, then four and then five and I let her keep them all. (For the frugal it can be done with nickels.)

 



Thanks Gerald! I do have the "Big Bobo" :-) and looked at that description of the trick last night. Thanks for that info!

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You could also try just taking one big step backward. Once all attention is on you and they know you're about to do something, just say, "ok, now watch...let me step back so everyone can see" you've now open up your angles just a little bit on either side.


True. It's a good idea. But that isn't always possible. I was doing a trick at the SAM meeting (so exposure is not really a huge issue) last week that was TOTALLY exposed from the side (Messiah Vanish (Sankey)), and my back was just about agains the wall. The only thing I could have done to avoid the folks on the side seeing it would have been to ask them to move. So I just told them they'd see the secret and made a "hush" gesture with my finger:-P.

That's kind of why I'm doing this thread. I would like to have a set of tricks that I can do surrounded if it is unavoidable.

Cheers!

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Kirk Charles has a book you might find interesting ...  "Standing Up Surrounded"


Robin, do you have this book? It's not easy to find.

Also, I noticed that it doesn't actually seem (from the description) to offer any actual trick ideas. Just advice on logistics, etc?

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Progressive Production 



Gerald,

I worked on this today based the Bobo description. I have a question. Bobo doesn't really get very specific about the first left-hand moves.

You start in CP there and drop the hands for the count of 2 coins, letting the 2 in the LH jingle. Here is where I am unclear.

In making the "transfer" from left to right/from 2 to 3, what position are the left hand coins retained in? If you drop the hand in the 2nd move so that they jingle, they are clearly not in CP any longer, right? What am I missing here? I suppose you cold hold them both in FP?

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Ken--

I think it would be best if you referred to my write-up on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum October 1, 2004 where I posted the method.

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Ken--

I think it would be best if you referred to my write-up on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum October 1, 2004 where I posted the method.

Jerry 


Trying to register for the forum now but can't answer their stupid "are you a human" question. What is round, made of steel, with a gap. Uhhh, about a dozen different things. Sigh.

OK - tried again with a different question. Sheesh.

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Jerry, thanks to your email, I was able to find the thread. Lots of goos tuff there. And I did read your handling of "Progressive Production." It works well, especially in the situation you describe with borrowing a coin, so you actually don't start with zero visible coins as in the write-up in Bobo. Because of that, your handling obviates the need to do the thing in the Bobo description that is tripping me up[smile].

I'm going to start a new thread JUST for this question because I really like the production a lot. Once I'm past that second move, I find myself giggling at how it seems the coins are multiplying[smile]. Thanks so much for that tip!

Ken
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