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Do you have an opinion as to which video/DVD teaches the pass the best?  Ideally, I'd like to learn a few different versions (classic / Herman / riffle)

I know the concept, but I always have fingers shooting out in different directions and it's anything but invisible.

I know the Ken Krenzel has one video called "The Pass":
https://llepub.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7_11_9&products_id=499

Kaufman has a video called "On The Pass":
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/586

52Kards has two videos:



And there are probably others that I haven't heard of.

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Don’t know if it’s the best but Xaviour Spade has some thoughts here
https://lostartmagic.com/collections/shop/products/the-pass-by-xavior-spade
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Kaufman's work on the Classic Pass is practically legendary. He recently offered online instruction - a multi-week course - on the pass and was charging around $500.

Unless you are averse to learning from books, I learned the move decades ago from The Amateur Magician's Handbook. The instructions were clear and detailed enough, but it took time to coordinate the movements and get them operating smoothly. Giobbi also has a great explanation in Card College, but frankly, after learning from Henry Hay, I found Giobbi's description tough to execute. Muscle memory, I guess. 

Recently someone else asked about or mentioned the pass and there were a couple of folks who questioned its value. Having gone to all the trouble to learn it, I still use it and find it effective under fire most of the time. If someone is burning my hands despite repeated attempts to misdirect, I just wait as Malini suggested or resort to ye old double undercut.

Best of luck with the move!

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The Pass Book by Gary Ouellet.  I think there was also a video, but the video did not teach the effect only showed what the end result looked like for each method. 
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Randy Wakeman also had a DVD on various passes.  It was a Magic Makers DVD so you might be able to find it cheap online.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Pass-with-Randy-Wakeman-Magic-trick-DVD/183480816836?hash=item2ab84f14c4:g:EtcAAOSw2ytbmcUZ:rk:1😋f:0

I only ever bothered with the Turnover Pass.

Personally,  I think as a control it is obsolete, though I do realize it is used in some rare instances other than as a control. a Roy Walton routines come to mind. Roy's "Pass at Red" was shared by R. Paul Wilson in his "Knock 'Em Dead" lecture notes. 

Of course, I do admire a good 'pass' when I don't see it.

Alex Pandea has some nice thoughts on the Turnover Pass, he also prefers to do it with the deck face up. He does a downloadable teach in.  A clip of it here:
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The spread pass is very practical. Marlo's "End Tap Pass" is very good too. It's basically a turnover pass without seeming to turn over.

Jay Sankey uses what we used to call a "Drop Cover Pass" as I recall. I don't know if this term is in common use. It basically means that you tilt the front of the deck up a bit and then execute a more or less classic pass as the hands tilt, moving the front end downward again. This seems to cover the often problematic "finger flash."

Michael Weber used to do the spread pass with the selection outjogged about half way down. The selection goes to the bottom as your finger reach out and push it flush. This covers the fact that the right hand has half the deck hidden. So the replacement of the half deck is masked by the right hand pushing the outjogged card flush.

Don England was a "pass master" too. I think he demos some passes on his Penguin lecture. He was a fantastic technician and a creative giant.

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Originally Posted by Fortunato Luchresi
Jay Sankey did a great video teaching the pass. It's on his YT channel. He does a fantastic pass, ... one of the best I've ever seen.

Fortunato. 😉

Is this what you're talking about?
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Michael Weber used to do the spread pass with the selection outjogged about half way down. The selection goes to the bottom as your finger reach out and push it flush. This covers the fact that the right hand has half the deck hidden. So the replacement of the half deck is masked by the right hand pushing the outjogged card flush.

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Along the lines of this pass, Aaron Fisher has an Outjog Hermann Pass.  He has a cool routine called The Rising which uses it...





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Unless you are averse to learning from books, I learned the move decades ago from The Amateur Magician's Handbook. The instructions were clear and detailed enough, but it took time to coordinate the movements and get them operating smoothly. 
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I looked over this source and had some questions, but I figured it was better to post in the Session Room.
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Jonathan Kamm put out a video a while ago that people were giving good reviews, all on the pass.
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I wish to know what do you think about this digital guide.... is it worth the cash?
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I wish to know what do you think about this digital guide.... is it worth the cash?


Link looks suspicious to me, so I have deleted it. salamuk, feel free to get in touch my PM, email, or chat and I will gladly restore the link if you can convince me it is legit. Cool? Thanks.

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Peter Duffie's passes are among the best.

Classic Pass from Move Mastery Vol 1.


Riffle Pass from Move Mastery Vol 2.


Peter Duffies is the best exponent of Fred Robinsons' sleights. I learnt the Fred Robinsons Riffle Pass years ago and the left 1st finger tell vanished.
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Peter Duffie's passes are among the best. 


What passes?! ;-)

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Peter Duffie's passes are among the best.
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Peter Duffies is the best exponent of Fred Robinsons' sleights. I learnt the Fred Robinsons Riffle Pass years ago and the left 1st finger tell vanished.

Holy @#$% those are good.  Where can I learn those?
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Holy @#$% those are good.  Where can I learn those?


You can find them on his Move Mastery CDs (one and two). Watch the trailers, there are some cracking moves on them. His Cover Pass (on vol 2), is something else!

The CDs are out of stock, but contact Peter (through his website or at magic@peterduffie.com ), he's an easy to approach guy.

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You can find them on his Move Mastery CDs (one and two). Watch the trailers, there are some cracking moves on them. His Cover Pass (on vol 2), is something else!

The CDs are out of stock, but contact Peter (through his website or at magic@peterduffie.com ), he's an easy to approach guy.


Are they taught well?  I've just seen too many videos where they say "just do this and this" and don't bother telling you the details.
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Are they taught well?  I've just seen too many videos where they say "just do this and this" and don't bother telling you the details.

I've just realised the CDs were for sale at Lybrary as downloads.

It's well described and gives lots of very useful advice, but if you're just starting practising it might not be for you as he does not go into details that you might expect on a DVD solely dedicated to the Pass.

If you want to see some of his teaching, for a mere $4, you can download his Riffle Pass Basic. If you like it, then you can purchase more on the subject.

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Thanks Francois. 

I just noticed that Steve Youell has a dvd on the pass as well called "Hacking The Pass":
http://www.practicenotincluded.com/

Has anyone viewed this?

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Hacking is a good DVD.  Steven covers it well.
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