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Jason Ladanye

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I still use the cheap Bikes. What do you use?

https://www.cardmagicbyjason.com/bicycle-playing-card-quality/


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Nice thoughts, Jason. I still buy bricks of Bikes at BJs because the price is great. I use these cards to muck about with, to plan and structure effects and to build gaffs. I will also frequently use these for non intensive performances. Otherwise, Tally Ho is my favorite by a long measure. I will also use Penguin Marked Cards (Bicycle Maiden style) iccasionally. I like the way the feel and shuffle ... and they are marked!!

I haven’t yet tried the Turner Bikes.

Interestingly, a few months back EndersGame interviewed Harry Lorayne and asked what his favorite deck was. Gotta love Harry... he doesn’t care!! He is so used to working with crappy decks since he prefers to start his work asking to borrow whatever deck the spectators have on hand!! (a brilliant idea if you think about it. This elimsnyes all thinking that any gaffs may ever be involved. Therefore the magician must either be highly skilled or really magical. Or both!!)
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You asked the same question on The Magic Café, Jason.  And I answered the same:  I use the cheap ones, less than $16 for 12 decks (6 red and 6 blue) from Costco.


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He's posting on various magic-related message boards, using his blog to generate interest. Smart fellow.

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He's posting on various magic-related message boards, using his blog to generate interest. Smart fellow.

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Indeed!

Jason was kind enough to give our forum a fantastic lecture without even knowing who the heck I am.
I feel indebted to him and am more than happy to have him posting here.

It’s a total win/win :)

Thanks Jason!

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By the way, I exclusively use Bicycle decks (preferably red backed) that I buy in bulk from Costco. I literally have a couple hundred decks in my magic room.

The quality is better than it was a few years back.

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I have noticed that the Standards from wholesale clubs have bounced back in the last few years. Also, I didn't mention in the blog that Aviators are still a great deck. They faro right out of the box and the design is a classic that doesn't get old.

 
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I pick up four-packs of Bicycles at Wal*Mart; two red, two black. Slightly less than two bucks a deck. If I had a membership at one of the discount clubs I would likely purchase there instead. There's rarely a problem with the cards. I run the four edges of a new deck on my jeans a time or two in either direction, and all's well with the deck.

I, too, like Talley's, but they're not so easy to come by. I also like Aristocrats and Arch Angels. My lovely wife, who travels a great deal for work, will sometimes pop into a brick and mortar magic shop during her business adventures and pick me up a couple of "premium" decks. I especially like the Mandolin Back Bicycles; a bit thinner stock, traditionally cut, and handle like butter.

From a practical standpoint I don't find the quality or durability of premium decks to be worth the higher cost. For the price, the availability, and the familiarity among the public at large, though, good old Bicycles really can't be beat.  Ride 'em and weep!

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I have noticed that the Standards from wholesale clubs have bounced back in the last few years. Also, I didn't mention in the blog that Aviators are still a great deck. They faro right out of the box and the design is a classic that doesn't get old.

 

They certainly used to Jason - but a brick of Aviators that I've just purchased most certainly don't Faro out of the box (nor does a brick of Tally Ho Circle backs that I've just received).

Moreover, the card stock used for the Aviators also appears to have changed somewhat - they are really thick compared to Aviators of old. In fact, the card stock feels exactly the same as the Aladdin brand?

I wonder if the USPCC have changed their production process(es)?

Just to add that I can Straddle Faro both brands face up - but it just looks very unnatural. Cards are nearly always shuffled face down by most people of course!

U.S. cards in the UK, when purchased as bricks, are cheaper nowadays than I can ever previously remember in my lifetime. However, the quality appears to have taken a major hit to compensate.
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Just to add that I can Straddle Faro both brands face up - but it just looks very unnatural. Cards are nearly always shuffled face down by most people of course!


Question for Barry or anyone. I see comments like this on faro threads with some regularity and always wonder why it isn't equally possible, while holding the deck face down, to start the weave from top or bottom. I tend to hold the cards face down and start from whichever side the deck prefers, without much issue. Are most people one-directional weavers, flipping the deck as needed?
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Question for Barry or anyone. I see comments like this on faro threads with some regularity and always wonder why it isn't equally possible, while holding the deck face down, to start the weave from top or bottom. I tend to hold the cards face down and start from whichever side the deck prefers, without much issue. Are most people one-directional weavers, flipping the deck as needed?

Hi Chris,

Speaking to my friend here in the UK (Keith Bennett) I seem to remember him telling me that it's primarily down to how the cards are cut at the factory - whether they are cut whilst the printed sheet is laid out either face up, or face down. This will dictate their usual required 'Faroability' (is that a new word?).

Keith has got a lot of knowledge about USPCC products - he was the first UK dealer to import/sell Bicycle Seconds. There is some logic I guess in what he says.

Another issue seems to be the quality of the cut. I've had Tally Ho's over the past couple of years with rough edges/not a clean cut. I guess this could be a blunt blade problem?

When Faroing, I only really use the Straddle Faro these days; so this entails a smaller (than half a deck) packet being Faro'd into the middle of the deck - so the direction of the initial weave isn't of any real significance. However, with many new decks, this has to be carried out with the cards face up. This is a major problem as I use Tom Cravens' Keeper card control quite a lot.
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Last year I picked up a few bricks of Bicycle Seconds from the dollar store. You can't beat a buck a deck. Most of the decks were fine, even better than some of the regular Bikes I've bought in the past. Some were a little off and those made for interesting one way decks. A few had some really messed up cards with the bulk of them fine. Those I used in instances where I needed a dupe card.
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Congratulations Jason on your article in "Vanish"! It was informative for me.

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Thanks Chef Don, glad you enjoyed it! 
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I often write articles for a playing card blog, and have written several pieces about the quality of Bicycle playing cards. These articles may be of interest to people reading this thread, and in answer to Jason's original question:

The Bicycle Brand: Is it Really Worth the Money to Get a Bicycle Deck?
https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/bicycle-brand-is-it-worth-the-money

Factors That Affect the Handling of a Deck: Part 1 - Bicycle Playing Cards
https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/factors-that-affect-the-handling-of-a-deck

USPCC-produced cards tend to handle consistently well, but are notorious for poor registration, hence inconsistent borders. In terms of the competition, cards produced out of the Taiwan factories used by Legends Playing Cards and Expert Playing Cards have a better registration and are high quality. But these playing cards do feel and handle quite differently, so they aren't for everyone. Over the last year or two Cartamundi in Europe has also been trying to get a bigger share of the playing card market, and their B9 True Linen finish stock is thick and durable but surprisingly soft. I've covered cards from these aforementioned publishers in a separate article here:

Factors That Affect the Handling of a Deck: Part 2 - Non-Bicycle Playing Cards
https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/factors-that-affect-the-handling-of-a-deck-part-2

This article may also be helpful to people wondering if there are ways to extend the life of a deck:

How Should I Look After My Deck? 24 Tips for Making Playing Cards Last
https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/24-tips-for-making-playing-cards-last

And for an alternative viewpoint, don't miss what Harry Lorayne has to say in this interview about the playing cards you should use when performing magic:

Interview with Magician Harry Lorayne about Playing Cards
https://playingcarddecks.com/blogs/all-in/card-magic-magician-harry-lorayne


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I use mostly "designer decks" or custom made ones

but between Bicycles or Tally-ho, Tally-ho fan back any day

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I prefer Bicycles with the rider backs.  If for no other reason than consistency.  People are used to seeing them and less likely to question anything.
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I prefer Bicycles with the rider backs.  If for no other reason than consistency.  People are used to seeing them and less likely to question anything.


No one has ever questioned me about the decks I use

I feel they are just another atmospheric aesthetic 

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Things have changed, somewhat, with the popularity of poker, but for years a LOT of people found poker size cards weird. A deck of cards to them was a stiff bridge deck with "Delta" on the back.
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