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Steven Youell

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I have my own memorized stack I use for original effects but I'm interested in doing more. Rather than use a "hit and miss" approach, I thought I'd ask if anyone can recommend books that are not dependent on a specific stack.
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The Redford Stack - Temporarily Out of Order has some nice stack independent items as does Pit Hartlings latest book. Tamariz' Mnemonica is a classic in this regard. Also, I believe that Woody Aragon's new book has some mem deck stuff as well.

I think that all of these books have some stack independent items. But not all items are stack independent. I don't know of any book that consists totally of stack independent items.


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As all of you likely know, the Aronson books contain a mix.  Simply Simon is great.
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We're very lucky that Tamariz, Aronson, Ortiz, and Close are all very good explainers of their ideas. Haven't made it yet to Hartling, Aragon, and Redford. Mastering a good memdeck trick takes time.
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So what I'm hearing is that there are no stack independent books on Mem Deck work.
I was aware of all the others that have been mentioned. Thanks to all for the information.
Perhaps I'll put out some of my own stuff. It's not dependent on any one particular stack.

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All the stuff I do with mem deck is stack independent. Also, sought after are items that maintain the stack. If you do a mem deck set you need a number of items that maintain the stack and one great one that destroys it. Sometimes you can destroy only half the stack and continue with the other half. 

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Sometimes you can destroy only half the stack and continue with the other half.

That's a concept I published in the 90's, I think. I know it was published in Weapons of Mass Destruction but I was already using that a few years before the publication. Certainly someone came up with the idea before then...?

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Isn't it Tamariz that has some effects that will use only half a stack?
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Isn't it Tamariz that has some effects that will use only half a stack?
Yeah, but I think I might have beaten him to print. But I could be wrong and I'm sure not going to worry about it. It's not that big of a deal.

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I know it was published in Weapons of Mass Destruction but I was already using that a few years before the publication.


If you'll forgive the plug, Steven's memdeck work in Weapons of Mass Destruction can be purchased from http://www.practicenotincluded.com/

Full disclosure: I'm the one selling it.

Also, Steven published the Half Stack Principle in 1993 in his lecture notes Maximum Impact.  The notes from Steven's 1990s lectures are not currently available, but I intend to republish them one of these days.

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Once we thought of it, it seemed so obvious that someone, somewhere must be using it, but we couldn't find it in print.


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If you'll forgive the plug, Steven's memdeck work in Weapons of Mass Destruction can be purchased from http://www.practicenotincluded.com/
As I remember there weren't many actual effects, but a lot of practical advice and a very good description of The Hacker Stack. I'm starting to work with more with a Mem Deck now. Have to start taking notes.
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John Born’s Seeking The Bridge is fantastic.

All my current repertoire is mem stack independent effects that end in stack outright, or with negligible reset.

The fact that you memorized St3bbins is pretty nifty, and will become even more so down the line.

Redford’s book offers some stack transformations that might interest you. The sequel maybe more so.

Supposedly Tamariz has a transformation linking Stebbins and Faro-4.

Aragon’s stack contains a version/variation of Zen’s
stack.

Obviously Tamariz & Aronson.

Mead’s Tim Conover book will probably be of interest to you when released(in a similar vein to Redford’s)

Bob Farmer’s Bammo Tarodiction Toolbox is a great read, as is the sort posted on Redford’s Facebook group for his book.

Michael Close’s Road to Riffsville.

Greg Chapman’s Devil’s Staircase.

I’m eagerly waiting on Doug Dyment’s expanded work on his Quickerstack which also shares features with St3bbins.

Aragon’s Siamese Stack and applied work on faro chains is noteworthy.

If the past 20 years is any indication the next 20 will be pretty interesting.

The stacks are converging, sharing features.

It seems to me that all this is leading to some very powerful generalized tools, concepts, and language for real uncanny full control and tracking of a pack of playing cards.

Worth looking into Mike Powers work on key cards and Redford’s applications.

Of note Pit Hartling’s work, Asi Wind, Jan Forster

Best,
Jed

PS I also have a fondness for Barry Richardson’s work which also has some fantastic memdeck effects.
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I will 'second' Steve's stuff. I have both publications mentioned and they are great, if you can get your hands on them. Original thoughts on mem-deck work for sure!
And in addition to Simon's items, Darwin Ortiz has several effects that are stack dependent, and Bill Malone's Hands Off Memory Test is not tied to any stack.

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