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Claudio

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Hi Guys,

Do you like or use sinlge-handed double lifts in some of your effects. I've been told by some that they look too flashy to be deceptive. But, my own experience is rather positive.

I like to use SHDLs in some effects where one hand is busy doing something while the other does the DL. Transpositions effects in spectators hands is where I used them most.

My favourite SHDL is the D'Amico Double Lift from Buckley's Card Control. Here's a demo in relatively slow motion (or the video blurs...). I use a pinkie-count as a get ready instead of the original thumb count and the slight handling variation I show is due to my adapting the sleight to my hand size.

Finally I show the sleight from the most vulnerable angle but I think it still looks OK:

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Looks good! That said, it does look flashy. At least it doesn't look like a natural move. Of course if flash is your thing, and if it fits your style, then I must say that the demonstration in the video looks good. Damn good in fact. Are you prepared in the event the double splits or falls? 
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Claudio -- I think your SHDL looke GREAT (as does all of the items you have demonstrated on this forum)!! That being said, I would have to put myself in the "too flashy for me" category, but I'm probably the only one on this forum that also feels that way when I see David Blaine do his DL. By the way, I also feel that way regarding those impressive in-hands cuts (with spinouts, pivots, swivels, etc.) -- I think it is advertising a "tell" that you've either done something or that you are capable of doing something (and that potentially detracts from the "mystery"). HOWEVER, I do think with certain routines (such as a gambling demo or whatever) those kinds of moves not only enhance the effect but are "expected" by the audience. From what you have stated in your post, you are obviously discretionary as to when to use it. One final thought -- there are two ways to approach many sleights (always be consistent, AND, never perform the same move more than once in a routine), and again, in certain situations either of those approaches seem appropriate -- it's just up to the performer based on experience and past audience reactions. REGARDLESS, your handling looks GREAT to me!!!! johnny
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Man, Claudio. I imagine you spent a lot of time perfecting that move. It looks great!

I personally tend to shy away from moves like this. As JohnnyNewYork said, there are probably certain effects (gambling demos) that would benefit from this kind of a move. Just my opinion.

Thanks for sharing this!

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Thanks for the thumb up guys.

Well yes it's flashy but when I perform it, I usually engineer a situation where it looks justified as the other hand is engaged doing something else (like putting a card face down on a spectator's hand). The SHDL is performed as a matter of fact, rather faster than on the video, without attracting attention to it.

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Are you prepared in the event the double splits or falls? 

Regarding the split, it’s as safe or even safer than a two-handed DL. If you notice the contact points between the fingers and card(s) are between 2 and 4. If the DL were to fail for whatever reason, I am no more prepared than if a regular DL were to fail. I certainly have neglected that performance aspect.

Johnny: your points are well taken. This DL is unusual but integrated in a routine such as Jim Surprise & Roberto Giobbi’s Card Collection, from Card College, Vol. 4, where 3 cards are chosen and displayed the same way, but the third one uses a DL, this move would go down very nicely. Basically the spectators get used to the way of your showing cards within the frame of the routine and the DL on the 3rd will go completely unnoticed. I have been performing this collector routine for years and so far nobody has queried the way cards are shown. So, it rather confirms your point.

 Rudy: I learnt this sleight more than 3 decades ago, so I really can't remember how long it took to learn it.

If anybody would like to learn the sleight, I advise them to start with one card to get used to the motions. Once comfortable use two cards and more. I used to practice with 3 or 4  cards and though I have not found any use for it, it will make the double lift feel really light and easy to execute.

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Blaine does a DL? Is it as noisy as his top change? <grin>
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I use one but only as a replacement after I've displayed the card because I don't like using two hands to turn a DL over on top of the deck just to take it off again.

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Nice and sharp (and flashy [biggrin]). Thanks for posting.

It seems to me it's using some elements of the Dai Vernon's DL mechanics.
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Hi Claudio. Nicely executed.

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Claudio,

That looks like something Cliff Green would do.

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CQ,

You get a tip of the hat for the one handed shuffles, too. That's been the raspberry seed in my wisdom tooth for a long time.

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Thank you James Sievert.
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Nicely done CQ. I believe your OHDL is the D'Amico original handling, or very near to it.
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CQ, kudos to you! Excellent work; nice, smooth, and obviously lots of time spent practicing!
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Thanks Claudio & Anthony : )
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Nicely done CQ. I believe your OHDL is the D'Amico original handling, or very near to it.



Excellent work. 

Concerning the handling, it seems it is not the original one described by Buckley in Card Control. The paragraph that sets the difference is the following (emphasis added):

As soon as the card is pivoted into a nearly upright position (Fig. 4), the third finger lets the two cards go. The first finger presses the two cards against the left thumb, and the cards snap into position as shown in Fig. 5.


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...perhaps this way?

https://c.web.de/@337154290864882339/B5vRYkm4RwavZkFdLf492w

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...perhaps this way?


Yes, and well done.

At least I understood the move that way.

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These last couple of posts show the beauty of reading a book versus watching a video.  I don't think any of the lifts shown in this thread are "exactly" the way Carmen D'Amico did his DL.  The most recent one from Axel is the closest, but there is a slight twist in his handling that I don't believe is in the text.  But it works for him and like I said, if you read a book description you have the opportunity to interpret, to bring your own experience and style to bear.  If you learn it from a video, you are going to tend to mimic the performer and do it exactly as shown.
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Glad to see that there are lots of book-lovers in the forum.

Certainly, the beauty of book descriptions is their interpretability, hence the reader becomes (an important) part of the play.

Another interesting features of books is that they are open to debate.
Could you elaborate on the differences of the video demo wrt the text description?

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I went back and looked at the most recent video, the one from Axel.  He actually gets very close to the way I learned it.  The difference is very subtle, but the tipover of the card is more forward during some of his attempts, whereas when I do it, it is more sideways.  He actually does make it more sideways on his, I believe, 3rd attempt.  What I got out of the description is the card is meant to "sweep" across the top of the deck and bow very strongly in the process of turning over.  The card ends up almost perpendicular to the top of the pack and then the RH grasps it.

I know that sounds like minutia to most people, but when it all boils down, details matter.  My profession deals with very intricate, subtle details that can contribute to immense construction failures.  So I pay close attention.

BTW, I'm not saying he is doing it wrong or badly, quite the contrary.  Just looks a bit different to me.
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Isn't it a shame that we don't have more video of magicians such as Carmen D'Amico to view and appreciate.  Same goes for many others of bygone days.  There probably are home movies of him that exist.  Does anyone know of any or if they are available anywhere?  I know there is old 8mm of folks like Charlie Miller and Ed Marlo, Dai Vernon that circulate and some are to be found on youtube.  But a search for Carmen yielded nothing.
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What I got out of the description is the card is meant to "sweep" across the top of the deck and bow very strongly in the process of turning over.  The card ends up almost perpendicular to the top of the pack and then the RH grasps it.


I agree almost completely, except that the card ends up almost perpendicular. In my handling, I find better control on the cards if the first finger continue pressing  until the index corner of the double contacts the base of the thumb; at that moment, the card is no longer perpendicular but about 45º to the top of the pack.

Nothing is said in the text in this respect, except the reference to Fig 5 which, again, is interpretable.

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I know that sounds like minutia to most people, but when it all boils down, details matter.  My profession deals with very intricate, subtle details that can contribute to immense construction failures.  So I pay close attention.


No minutia for me. The devil is in the details.
A number of sleights become much easier or reliable when those small details are detected and fixed.

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BTW, I'm not saying he is doing it wrong or badly, quite the contrary.  Just looks a bit different to me.

Completely agree.



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Here's how I do it 
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Bulla, that is exactly the way I do it.  Notice how the card is, for a moment, perpendicular to the pack.  It is levered upwards, but the orientation is perpendicular.  I think when it goes the direction of the one in the original video in this thread it morphs into something else.

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Hi Bulla, Ali and Ray,

great topic, thank you for your kind words. Indeed Bulla´s handling is closer to the original description. Comparing my handling with Bulla´s and again with the written description I have made two changes to fit my hands better (I think):
1) I angle the two top cards before the first finger kicks in because I want them to be more aligned, so I try to get the upper right corner between my middle- and ringfinger, together with a light pressure from the left thumb I have more control to keep them together.
2) After that action, and still before the first finger kicks in, my first finger pushes the packet slighly towards my body. This makes the clipping action of the card between left thumb and firstfinger more easily and avoids the upper right corner of the double-card to be caught by the edge or getting split.

For these reasons my card levers upwards in an angle while with Bulla´s handling the right long side of the top two cards are quite parallel to the edges of the packet.

...by the way, this was my first published "Magic video" ever...

so, great conversation here, I really appreciate your comments!

All the best,

Axel
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