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I just discovered this little gem this morning in a book called Magic with Cards from Garcia & Schindler.

All crediting issues aside, it's a great little effect.

It fooled me as I was learning it and then it got a great reaction from my daughter.

Seems impossible that from a shuffled deck, you can create such a cool illusion of coincidence.

Here's what it looks like...


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Reminds me of Up the Ante.  When you follow along with cards in hand, you wonder how the heck did that work? 
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That's a great book.
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That's a great book.


Hi Magicfish, I've only been able to skim through it, but already found 2 effects that I want try out in the real world. This one and "Comic Touch" on page 66.

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Unless I'm mistaken, this is a straight application of the Gilbreath principle. There are, IMO, stronger applications to that wonderful principle.
Two come to mind:
- an out of this universe I found in Apocalypse (I'll post reference as soon as I am home).
- an awesome prediction effect (performer is able to guess color of the cards in a facedown pack) (Ill also post reference when I find it!)
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Unless I'm mistaken, this is a straight application of the Gilbreath principle. There are, IMO, stronger applications to that wonderful principle.
Two come to mind:
- an out of this universe I found in Apocalypse (I'll post reference as soon as I am home).
- an awesome prediction effect (performer is able to guess color of the cards in a facedown pack) (Ill also post reference when I find it!)


I can't wait to look them up, Jdip!

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Will do! Im exhausted right now but I'll find what Im talking about tomorrow.
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Will do! Im exhausted right now but I'll find what Im talking about tomorrow.


I'm patient [smile]

Sleep well.

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The original handling of this is in Ibidem from the 1950s. Paul Gordon
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The original handling of this is in Ibidem from the 1950s. Paul Gordon


Thanks Paul! I have all three volumes on my shelf. Do you know which one its in and it's page number?

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Reminds me of Up the Ante.  When you follow along with cards in hand, you wonder how the heck did that work? 


About a month ago, I finally set aside the time to work through, "Up the Ante". It truly is a fooler! Martyn Smith is brilliant [smile]

I'm looking forward to trying it out in the real world. When I do, I'll be sure to have it recorded and share it here at the forum.

I'm grateful to you and Martyn for sharing it with me!

Rudy


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I learned this one from one of Bob Longe's Books though I forgot which one... 
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I learned this one from one of Bob Longe's Books though I forgot which one... 


I have some of Bob's books on my shelf. I'll see if I can find which one you're referring to.

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Rudy,

This just goes to show me what I have hiding in my library.

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I feel awful, but I cannot for the life of me find those effects I was talking about... I'll do a little more digging though.
I should keep a better classification method!

Prediction effect goes as follows:
Start in red/black order, and riffle shuffle once. 
ask the spectator to deal two piles (not the full deck though, stop him about halfway). 
Ask him to take one of the piles. (By gilbreath principle, the two piles are of opposite colors in order)
Note the bottom card of the rest of the un-dealt cards, and place it over the pile the spectator has not chosen.
Spread those cards (pack + pile) and look for your key card: the color of the cards on its right give you the colors of the cards the spectator holds.

Proudly announce every color as he deals face up his pile...
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Magic a With Cards was one of the first real magic books I ever had. Santa gave it to me some 40 years ago. It was my first introduction to the concept of the Key Card, among other things.
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Dang! That is a good one! Love the added ambience of your mom coming in, orange juice spilling, people in the background. [smile] Makes it seem like real life! ha-ha
I am going to have to find that book with that trick 'cuz now I need to know how that worked.
Thanks for posting.

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what do you know, I got home from work this morning and checked my shelf and sure enough I have the book. Now I know how it was done....and I still don't believe it!
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I have wanted this book on my shelf for a long time. I even won a copy on an Ebay auction a few years back and was sent was some other entry level magic book. I complained and was told the book I received was newer and had more pages and I should be thankful for the switch.

Then a couple weekends ago I found a copy at a half priced book store for $3.49. This little book is loaded with quality stuff. Thanks for sharing.
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I bought Magic with Cards today at the library sale for a dollar [wave]
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I bought Magic with Cards today at the library sale for a dollar [wave]


AWESOME!!!!!

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I had the original as shown in the photograph, but I lent it someone and it's still not been returned.

About 20 years ago whilst meandering around a remainder bookshop,  I stumbled over a hard cover version complete with dustjacket. Very cheap--a couple of quid. A great buy.
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I had to pull this book off my shelf to see how it worked. Tried it on my daughter. I was amazed as her. Really neat little effect! Thanks for bringing to our attention. Don't think I looked at that book in years.
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Love the feeling that magic invokes!!!

Thanks for sharing, Rudy!
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Love the feeling that magic invokes!!!

Thanks for sharing, Rudy!


Thanks for taking time to watch it! And by the way...welcome to the Magician's Forum, John!

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Rudy,

That Color Separation routine is a real gem!  Involves the spectator in the magic BIG TIME, and you're right, it does seem impossible from a shuffled deck.

I have had the Garcia & Schindler book for a long time, and I really like it - quite a few good tricks that even many magicians are unaware of.  I can't believe I overlooked this one.  Thanks for calling it to our attention!

PS Your son is really cool and very nice.

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Rudy,

That Color Separation routine is a real gem!  Involves the spectator in the magic BIG TIME, and you're right, it does seem impossible from a shuffled deck.

I have had the Garcia & Schindler book for a long time, and I really like it - quite a few good tricks that even many magicians are unaware of.  I can't believe I overlooked this one.  Thanks for calling it to our attention!

PS Your son is really cool and very nice.



Thanks Magic-Aly! He's a good boy and makes for a great spectator [smile]

I hope that you're doing well!

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Your welcome Rudy!

Yes doing quite well,,. thanx!

After I posted that last post, i found myself wondering whether Rudy Jr. has shown any interest in doing magic...
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Your welcome Rudy!

Yes doing quite well,,. thanx!

After I posted that last post, i found myself wondering whether Rudy Jr. has shown any interest in doing magic...


No. I tried to show him some stuff. But he's showed no interest.

He's a wrestler and very good at it. I, on the other hand, am not the sport type [smile]

He still appreciates it though.

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That trick is a basic use of the principal really. A well constructed one, one that you may perform in real life, is in a small booklet by Asi Wind called Chapter One. It's a color sensing routine.

Anything by Asi Wind is worth getting in my opinion.
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That trick is a basic use of the principal really. A well constructed one, one that you may perform in real life, is in a small booklet by Asi Wind called Chapter One. It's a color sensing routine. Anything by Asi Wind is worth getting in my opinion.


This is the trick I was referring to, and forgot where I had seen it! (see post #10)
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There is another effect which uses the same setup but the procedure is different. The effect is basically the same, color separation, but in this one you pretend to "weigh" the reds and the blacks and you separate them using their color, but without looking at the faces. It is in the book "No Moves Magic." I don't have it with me right now but when I get home I will tell you the name of this effect.
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Ok, the name of the effect is "Two Piles, No Weighting" and it is in the book No Moves Magic by Rick Kercher, if you want to check it out...
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Ok, the name of the effect is "Two Piles, No Weighting" and it is in the book No Moves Magic by Rick Kercher, if you want to check it out...


Thanks for the information. 

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This is great.

I am working on AsI Wind's effect in Chapter One, and don't know what I am doing wrong. Not working out the way it should... frustrating.

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This is great.

I am working on AsI Wind's effect in Chapter One, and don't know what I am doing wrong. Not working out the way it should... frustrating.



Oh man where did you get that? I've been looking to buy Chapter One forever, but everywhere I find it says it's out of stock!
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Kind of surprised that Chapter One was not only out of stock, but discontinued.  I thought it was very good.
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This is great. I am working on AsI Wind's effect in Chapter One, and don't know what I am doing wrong. Not working out the way it should... frustrating.



The description should be clear and it is workable as is. PM me if you still have problems. 

Keep in mind that where you cut the deck is quite important.

The believe the booklet is discontinued as perhaps Asi is looking for different ways to have his work on mem deck available. 
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There's also a nice effect in the mentalism section with two decks called 'An Absolute Miracle' that is worth checking out.
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I've been working with Si Stebbins order the last couple of days. Pretty awesome
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Need to look that up¡ Reminds me of the Posi-Negative Cards trick in Fulve's More Self Working Card Tricks. Just learned it last week, but this looks a bit more streamlined.

Thanks Rudy¡
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Rudy thanks for the performance. I have been thinking about buying this book for awhile, now you have forced me to buy the book.  Color separation looks beautiful.
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Just checked out the explanation in the Garcia book, and it's almost exactly the same as what's in Fulves.  Only difference is in how Rudy places his cards Opposite of what the audience member does.

If you have Fulves more self working, it's in there.

Although Garcia also has what seems to be U.F. Grants impromptu OOTW.  Eugene Berger talks about his presentationl idea on this in his Penguin lecture.

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Just checked out the explanation in the Garcia book, and it's almost exactly the same as what's in Fulves.  Only difference is in how Rudy places his cards Opposite of what the audience member does.

If you have Fulves more self working, it's in there.

Although Garcia also has what seems to be U.F. Grants impromptu OOTW.  Eugene Berger talks about his presentationl idea on this in his Penguin lecture.

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Thanks GreenKnight33  I played some more with the Fulves explanation and than watched Rudy's video and like you say they are pretty much the same.  If you do the Fulves set up, you can do the performance as Rudy does it.   Magicial principles are GRAND.   
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Interesting that Rudy deals two piles down (alot faster), and Kulves has two piles, but one face up, and other face down.  Didn't realize it would still work that way.

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I'm late to the party, but just watched your video and wanted to say thanks for sharing this, Rudy.

Magic With Cards is a fantastic book, great for beginners, and it has some strong magic (eg Out of this World). It's what really got me into card magic many years ago, and I still regularly do some of its routines, e.g. Aces Follow Aces.

And yes, today you can pick up used copies dirt cheap. A great book to give young magicians.

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