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Dave

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I find the convincing control a useful move, especially the Jennings Open Control. I also have experimented with his Immediate Bottom Placement, Harry Lorayne's Summit Switch, and the Kelly Bottom Placement. But the one I find most interesting is Ernest Earick's version (By Forces Unseen, Pg. 83) I am having a bit of trouble with it - angling the bottom card to the right is smooth, but after upjogging the supposed selection, I am experiencing trouble getting the selection to slide quickly and smoothly under the left hand stock as I unite the deck, and also seem to be unable to keep the left hand cards neat and relatively aligned as I do so. Is anyone using this control, and if so, have you encountered these problems? Any advice (yes, I will put even more practice time on it!) would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!

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Sorry I don't have any advice but I did find this YouTube performance of the trick (Bureau d' Exchange) which after watching might help others offer some advice.
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Hi Wayne,
Thank you for that. I'm not positive, but I don't think he's using Earick's control - his right fingers are not placed properly to swivel the bottom card out of the way, He appears to be using the Jennings open Control, which he does well, and which fits the trick. Could be wrong, but that's how it looks. Again, thanks for the link!

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Hi Dave,

Try this...when upjogging the selection, keep the next card to the right of it also on top of the left hand cards.  Then keep an slight upward pressure with the left hand cards and the selection as you slide the right hand cards right slightly and back to the spread (keeping that next card still on the left hand cards).  Hopefully you will feel that real selection "click" free from under the spread.  Feed the left hand cards into the space created.  Hopefully I explained that clearly enough.  As for the keeping the cards aligned when feeding them from the left hand, try a straddle grip with the left hand.


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I like Ackerman's method. He keeps the pointed at card as the top card of the left hand's group as he breaks the spread. He gets a L 4th finger break under the top two cards and then takes the double as a single under the right hand's spread and shows its face. The perfectly aligned double leads to a very clean pull back of the selection leaving the X card in its exact previous position.

Hope this makes sense.

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Thanks, DJ. I'll work on your suggestions - hadn't thought to use the straddle grip.

Mike, thank you for the Allan Ackerman description. Somehow missed that - don't see it in Las Vegas Kardma, and I don't have Here's My Card. It sounds very clean and I'll work on that as well.

I appreciate the assistance, guys.
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The Ackerman move, as I described it, is from "Effects from the Magic Mafia" as "A Card Pass." Allan also has an item in "Here's My Card" that uses an entirely different method. It's called "New Convincing Control." 

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Hello Dave! I’m only familiar with the Convincing Control as taught by Ron Bauer in one of his published booklets — I believe Steven Youell published that description in a post somewhere in Secret Sessions. I think the Convincing Control is mechanically closely related to an under the spread cull. Whatever method you’re using, it sounds like you do not have the selection positioned properly below the spread cards BEFORE you actually start to slide it to the bottom of the deck.

I’ve found that culling is much easier depending on the position of the culled card controlled by the RH fingers while the LH thumb clamps the mistaken X card perfectly still. I think I use an approach similar to that which Mike Powers has mentioned, at least at the start of the selection process.

I break the spread with the selection as the top card in the LH spread and show only a portion of the card to the spec (faces of the spread toward the spec and backs toward me). For motivation and cover, in order to display the partially exposed selection more fully, I transfer it to the RH spread, which is actually held about an inch higher than the cards in the LH (again with faces toward the spec, backs toward me); the LH squares its spread and is then used to seemingly adjust the selected card a little while secretly re-aligning the card immediately to the right of the selection ALMOST DIRECTLY BEHIND the selection (the RH thumb can help with this). The re-aligning action takes place behind the spread cards and is covered completely from the spec’s point of view.

Lower both hands parallel with the floor (the RH spread is still about an inch higher than the cards in the LH) and use the RH fingers to pull the selection (now hidden) slightly to the the right while using the LH thumb to clamp the X card behind the selection firmly against the somewhat squared cards in the LH (the clamped card naturally appearing upjogged about an inch), and then slide the remainder of the RH spread cards downward and in alignment with the LH cards proper, leaving the X card still protruding outward.

Use the RH fingers to push the selection (hidden underneath the semi-spread cards) to the left, assisted by the LH fingers (which continue to pull the selection), finally bringing the card to the bottom (or even better, to second from the bottom) of the deck. Of course, whatever method you use, it’s probably a good idea to directly address the spectator with a question as the cards are lowered, culled, and then squared. Sorry for the long description — I hope this makes sense. I would focus on getting the selection to the ideal position under the spread and the culling action will be much easier.

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Hi JohnnyNewYork,
Many thanks for the detailed description . I agree - main problem is with bottom card (the selection) being positioned properly for a smooth move to the bottom of the deck. Your description is very clear and gives me some more to work on. Thanks again!

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