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Martin

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This is a move I've been working on for a while, and I'm so close to getting it! My problem is that I can only seem to get 3 out of four cards to the top, the first card I insert always stays in the middle. Anybody use this move who can give me some advice?




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I do use the move but alas I haven't the slightest idea what to tell you. I don't have a deck with me now but from memory I think I make a little step or break or something above that first card, that is the one nearest the face. I am holding tight on to all the aces so none of them get away. I shall have to wait  until I have a deck in my hand so I can describe further what I do.
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Don't want to derail the point of this thread, but I also had some indefinable difficulties with this move, so I looked for alternatives.

Marlo's "Simple Shift" and the "Carmen D'amico Shift," both out of the Multiple Shift section of  "Revolutionary Card Technique" are my go-to shifts.
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First came across this in Arthur Buckley's Card control, he has Vernon's original and his own variation too. I had difficulties with it but ended up seeing someone do it in performance, maybe it was on the Derren Brown 'Devil's Picturebook' tape as well. Perhaps check online for a tutorial.
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Your mention of Marlo's 'Simple-shift' reminds me of a great trick in Harry's book 'Rim-Shots'... it's called 'Any Ace Spell' and it's a winner!
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Great shifts, one and all, but for me, its the Nash multiple shift. I had a much easier time getting it to work than the Professor's

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Thanks for the advice everyone, I have checked for online lessons or even just a performance, but I couldn't find any good quality ones. As for those other shifts, I'll
check them out too!
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Also check out Card College volume 3 if you've got it as that has many different versions, and Roberto Giobbi has great teaching points and explanations.
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make sure your left thumb is firmly pressed on the side of the outjog cards!
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I second the Kingman's recommendation. The Nash multiple shift does require a table. It is taught on DVD by the Charming Cheat himself on The Very Best of Martin Nash, Vol 3. Jason England offers an in-depth tutorial on the Nash MS, with added subtleties, at Theory 11... 

https://store.theory11.com/products/multiple-shift-by-jason-england

There is also an excellent description of the handling in Stephen Minch's book, Ernest Earrick, By Forces Unseen.

Guy Hollingworth teaches a very practical stand-up MS in Drawing Room Deceptions.

I am curious, does anyone use Carney's Natural Multiple Shift or the Charlie Miller/Cardini Overhand MS from Card College Vol. 3?

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I prefer the handling Derren teaches in Pure Effect, rather than as described in the Stars of Magic. It seems to have a softer, more relaxed feel to it.

I don't use any multiple shifts anymore, none of the effects I do requires one.


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I first learned this move from Bill Malones Penguin Live lecture, its my go to if I'm performing for anyone who knows about card magic. I find that it's deception is increased by making the moves as slow as possible.

I'm not sure how you're having trouble with the top card, it could be a few things, if you feel comfortable posting a video I think I could give you some more precise pointers, if not try...

1) Outjogging the cards slightly more. This is just for practice. If you outjog too much I personally think it's kind of obvious. I think Bill talks about the distance being about an index away.

2) Put your index finger over the top of the cards to sort of anchor them as you do the shift (once the cards are covered). It doesn't really aid your deception even though it covers you from another angle, but it helps a lot on that pull out to make sure you're grabbing 4 cards.
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Your mention of Marlo's 'Simple-shift' reminds me of a great trick in Harry's book 'Rim-Shots'... it's called 'Any Ace Spell' and it's a winner!

It sure is.
I also like Darwin Ortiz' variation from Lorayne's Afterthoughts:
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Thanks so much for all the advice, after a day of practicing I got the move! Now I just gotta work on making it look good and natural...

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I really like that Any Ace Spell, that's most awesome
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I have found it useful to tilt the deck almost vertical when the cards go in and then immediately go into the shuffle. I have been using this sleight for almost forty years and it is the only multiple shift I use.

It's also the best way I've found to control multiple selections-- I've done up to ten cards.

Have four cards selected by spreading through the deck. When the first spectator touches a card, upjog it and lift up the selection and all the cards behind it so the spectator can see it. Do the same thing with three other spectators. If you force the area of the selection deeper each time a card is touched, you will end up with the deck in your hands and with four selections upjogged.

Go into the move and in four seconds the cards are on top in the order they were selected.

When you do this, it will move deadly quick. Touch a card, see it? Would you touch a card, remember it?

Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom.

I think that in many multiple selection routines, the selection procedure takes up too much time.
Doing this quickly has multiple advantages. First, less time is spent with the boring part. Second, if it looks like this is just something that you have to get out of the way before the fun starts, then that's the way the audience will look at it. And that way they won't pay attention to it. Third, when they try and backtrack they'll mentally go to the "beginning" and since this little maneuver was just something to get out of the way before the actual trick starts... they think the "beginning" was after the control.

This is related to something Ron Bauer taught me. Here's a description and I hope it will clarify my point.

Ron would have a card quickly selected, control it with the attitude described above. Then he take a drag on his cigarette (these were his nefarious days), blow out the smoke and then put the cigarette out. He'd take a deep breath and launch into his story.

Later, if the audience tried to backtrack, they'd think the beginning was the beginning of the story. They would always remember the card but almost always nothing else. For them, the dirty work wasn't even on the timeline.

Sorry if this seems to be a bit disjointed, I'd be glad to clarify if it helps.

Yeah, I know this is an old thread but this move means a lot to me.


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Sounds like Scarne’s cigar thing.

Regarding, spelling, multiple shifts and such

I first stumbled over the Any Ace Spell sequence in Ultimate Secrets Of Card Magic, written by Lewis Ganson and published by Harry Stanley at his Unique Magic Studio. It was a Jack Avis trick, the title of which escapes me.

Marlo’s Simple Shift is a natural for this type of thing. Fan the cards face up, sight count nine and shove the ace of clubs below it. The other aces can go anywhere, well at least below the ace of clubs. The aces are in position for the spell.

 

Regarding the Card College reference; fine as far as it goes, but I would add one caveat. Giobbi hardly mentions the D’Amico Shift, and what he says is disparaging. On this subject, I think he’s talking out of his hat.

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Lee Asher's B.S. Control makes it all so easy.
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I also quite like the Neal Elias multiple shift. Learned it from a John Bannon book (Dear Mr. Fantasy I believe)

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Elias is awesome! i have some touches on it but dont know how to say it on words ahahaha
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Just wanted to mention. Got an email today from Aaron Fisher who in his latest article has a multiple shift using a breather card. It was contributed by Anton van Heldon. It is called The Plunge Breather Control. It's very good and easy, check it out.
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my first post...A goodly number of suggestions to be sure.  I've not used a multiple shift in ages, but I used to use Marlo's Spade shift fro the Spade book. It was confusing at first because the drawings were at the wrong angle. I believe it was corrected for inclusion in a newer collection.
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With respect to Vernon's handling is particular, and most thing in card magic in general, I find if I am having difficulty, it's usually because, 1.) I have not read and thoroughly understood the description, or 2.) There is too much pressure on the cards.

Number 1 can be addressed by rereading the material, not making any assumptions. Pay attention to finger positions and descriptions with respect to how the hands/fingers move. 2.) Relax your grip.

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