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Fellas, I've just found a gem in Harry's Best of Friends Volume 3.

Turn to page 273 and look at "Easy Prediction" by Richard Vollmer.

As the title implies, it's a prediction effect. But Harry's afterthoughts make this fantastic little effect even better. I'll make a quick video to demonstrate what this looks like and post it here tomorrow. Very easy, but powerful!

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Fellas, I've just found a gem in Harry's Best of Friends Volume 3.

Turn to page 273 and look at "Easy Prediction" by Richard Vollmer.

As the title implies, it's a prediction effect. But Harry's afterthoughts make this fantastic little effect even better. I'll make a quick video to demonstrate what this looks like and post it here tomorrow. Very easy, but powerful!

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I can't wait Rudy, but I guess I will have to. Looking forward to it.
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Just pulled the book off the shelf for another look. But that is the whole purpose of this thread isn't it? [smile] I never did try that out but will give it a try after reading it again.
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Tried it a couple of times, thought about it, know why I bypassed it. The method is CLEVER, but not very direct as a prediction/coincidence effect. A rather contrived method of getting a random number of cards, I mean when the spectator stops you shuffling you already have a random number of cards, but you use those to find another number of random cards, which he counts, then has to count that number again. However, Harry's afterthoughts turn it into a good four ace or four of a kind revelation and when the matching cards make an appearance the piles of cards now have a logical reason.

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Tried it a couple of times, thought about it, know why I bypassed it. The method is CLEVER, but not very direct as a prediction/coincidence effect. A rather contrived method of getting a random number of cards, I mean when the spectator stops you shuffling you already have a random number of cards, but you use those to find another number of random cards, which he counts, then has to count that number again. However, Harry's afterthoughts turn it into a good four ace or four of a kind revelation and when the matching cards make an appearance the piles of cards now have a logical reason.



I agree that the method of arriving at a random number of cards could seem contrived, but as you said (and I of course agree), Harry's Afterthoughts really make it fantastic!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Paul.

I'll still get around to making a video, but got a little caught up yesterday. 

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Here's a quick little demo of "Easy Prediction".




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       Fooled the h*ll out of me!!!
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       Fooled the h*ll out of me!!!


Harry, this trick is gold in my opinion. You've given us all such a treasure trove of magic.

Thank you!

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It's a delightful little mystery. It's a fooler, it's fun, and it is inherently entertaining.
Thankyou Richard Vollmer for creating, Harry for publishing and Rudy for sharing.
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     I was originally going to include my variation/handling (that is; the four-ace idea - the excellent original is the matching of the tabled card only) in JAW DROPPERS! with full credit of course to my friend, Richard Vollmer, for the original concept.

     But - aside from my thought of doing a book (ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) of my stuff/variations/Afterthoughts, etc., out of the 20 years of APOCALYPSE, another (fleeting) thought was to do ONLY MY BEST OF FRIENDS - again, my stuff/variations/Afterthoughts, etc., out of my three BEST OF FRIENDS volumes. And, of course, my variation/handling of this routine would be included - so; kept it for that (if ever!) instead of using it in JAW DROPPERS!  In retrospect, sorry I didn't write it up in JD!.

      Oh, what the hey, there are more than enough jaw droppers in JAW DROPPERS!.
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Lovely performance, Rudy. Yes, using Harry's idea it really looks an impossible way to find all the matching cards. That's the way to do it.

If just matching the one card it occurred to me you could probably cut out the counting by using the Quine's Keeper idea in some way (see the excellent "Slider Finder" in "Jawdroppers").

But if I ever used it I'd do it as you do, and as Harry suggested. 

 
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      I started to use Slider Finder more than usual when I wrote it up for JAW DROPPERS!.  It really is a strong routine.
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      I started to use Slider Finder more than usual when I wrote it up for JAW DROPPERS!.  It really is a strong routine.


I love it, couldn't stop playing with it when I read it [smile]
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Nice performance Rudy. I like the effect. 
I wouldn't use it as a prediction. I'd pattern it as as some mathematical machinations inherent in a deck of cards.
But I'd present it as making it up on the fly. (And now we do this.....and uh, oh yeah, we do, no we do this.)
Sort of a Rube Goldberg way of finding a selected card. 
Off to check out Slider Finder. 
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I'm a huge fan of Richard Vollmer. I have argued that some American magicians tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to encountering the brilliant card magic from other countries. Case in point: At one of the magic shops where I was a demonstrator we carried the brilliant book titled Concertos for Pasteboards. The book consists of routines from a number of superb German magicians - and one from Switzerland (Roberto Giobbi). We demonstrators would perform some routines from that book for customers. They loved the magic but wanted the "latest" from Paul Harris. C'est la guerre.
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I'm a huge fan of Richard Vollmer. I have argued that some American magicians tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to encountering the brilliant card magic from other countries. Case in point: At one of the magic shops where I was a demonstrator we carried the brilliant book titled Concertos for Pasteboards. The book consists of routines from a number of superb German magicians - and one from Switzerland (Roberto Giobbi). We demonstrators would perform some routines from that book for customers. They loved the magic but wanted the "latest" from Paul Harris. C'est la guerre.


Concertos For Pasteboards is an excellent book.

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I'm a huge fan of Richard Vollmer. I have argued that some American magicians tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to encountering the brilliant card magic from other countries. Case in point: At one of the magic shops where I was a demonstrator we carried the brilliant book titled Concertos for Pasteboards. The book consists of routines from a number of superb German magicians - and one from Switzerland (Roberto Giobbi). We demonstrators would perform some routines from that book for customers. They loved the magic but wanted the "latest" from Paul Harris. C'est la guerre.


An amazing book, Vlad!

One of my favorites is "Easy and Strong" by Wolfgang Sommer. Fantastic!

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Nice performance Rudy. I like the effect. 
I wouldn't use it as a prediction. I'd pattern it as as some mathematical machinations inherent in a deck of cards.
But I'd present it as making it up on the fly. (And now we do this.....and uh, oh yeah, we do, no we do this.)
Sort of a Rube Goldberg way of finding a selected card. 
Off to check out Slider Finder. 


Thanks Dan! I like your idea for a presentation. 

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Lovely performance, Rudy. Yes, using Harry's idea it really looks an impossible way to find all the matching cards. That's the way to do it.

If just matching the one card it occurred to me you could probably cut out the counting by using the Quine's Keeper idea in some way (see the excellent "Slider Finder" in "Jawdroppers").

But if I ever used it I'd do it as you do, and as Harry suggested. 

 


Thanks Paul! I'll check Quine's Keeper as you suggest.

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Nice performance Rudy. I like the effect. 
I wouldn't use it as a prediction. I'd pattern it as as some mathematical machinations inherent in a deck of cards.
But I'd present it as making it up on the fly. (And now we do this.....and uh, oh yeah, we do, no we do this.)
Sort of a Rube Goldberg way of finding a selected card. 
Off to check out Slider Finder. 


I had to look up Rube Goldberg [smile]

Love the idea, Evildan!

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Here's a quick little demo of "Easy Prediction".

Very nicely done Rudy (though I'd watch the flashing of the red Ace, although it's not likely to be noticed or remembered).

This is a wonderful routine, and nicely performed!  I enjoyed reading through this thread about it.

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     I was originally going to include my variation/handling (that is; the four-ace idea - the excellent original is the matching of the tabled card only) in JAW DROPPERS! with full credit of course to my friend, Richard Vollmer, for the original concept. 

     But - aside from my thought of doing a book (ONLY MY APOCALYPSE) of my stuff/variations/Afterthoughts, etc., out of the 20 years of APOCALYPSE, another (fleeting) thought was to do ONLY MY BEST OF FRIENDS - again, my stuff/variations/Afterthoughts, etc., out of my three BEST OF FRIENDS volumes. And, of course, my variation/handling of this routine would be included - so; kept it for that (if ever!) instead of using it in JAW DROPPERS!  In retrospect, sorry I didn't write it up in JD!.

Well, the good news is that there's a Jaw Droppers Two, and "Easy Prediction" made it into that book on page 163!  It's a real gem, and I love the creative element of the inter-weaved cards, and how it seems truly impossible, especially with the big finale of all four aces at the end.

See also a performance of this routine by magicfish (and further discussion) in this thread:
http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/easy-prediction-from-jawdroppers-two-9652989

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Very nicely done Rudy (though I'd watch the flashing of the red Ace, although it's not likely to be noticed or remembered).

This is a wonderful routine, and nicely performed!  I enjoyed reading through this thread about it.


Well, the good news is that there's a Jaw Droppers Two, and "Easy Prediction" made it into that book on page 163!  It's a real gem, and I love the creative element of the inter-weaved cards, and how it seems truly impossible, especially with the big finale of all four aces at the end.

See also a performance of this routine by magicfish (and further discussion) in this thread:
http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/easy-prediction-from-jawdroppers-two-9652989


Thanks EndersGame! Yes, I need to be mindful of flashing that red ace. Good catch!

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Thanks EndersGame! Yes, I need to be mindful of flashing that red ace. Good catch!

I probably wouldn't even have noticed it if I hadn't been reading and studying the description in Harry Lorayne's book first. [smile]

Great work though, I enjoy your performances.

I just watched the set you did for a group of youth here:



Very nice work!  Great manner and presentation, and I love how you just roll from one effect into the next smoothly.  Do you pre-plan your entire set, or just go with the moment?

The reactions you got were fantastic, you definitely were dropping some jaws, and those guys were keen to have you keep on going, which says a lot!

Are you okay with me including a link to that second video in the forthcoming review of Jaw Droppers Two that I'm currently working on?  You included a few effects from the book, and it would be a great way for people to see what some of those tricks look like when performed for a real audience.  Plus you just did a great job entertaining!

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