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My favorite routine is Gary Ouellet's Finger On The Card. I really play it up as if I got the wrong card. 

Most magician in trouble routines fall short of not being believed with bad acting by the performer. Another good routine would be Harry's Gambler vs Magician..

What is your favorite ?
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Bad acting and bad jokes. My favorite is David Williamson's torn and restored transposition. 
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“The magician in trouble” can be an aspect of Perverse Magic.

 

Perverse magic is a form of presentation that puts the magician with the audience rather than, as is the case with the presentation of most magic, above the audience. It has the magician saying, “I don’t understand.” Instead of “Ta da!”

 

I tried to break Perverse Magic into six categories as follows: (1) something happens without the performer’s knowledge, (2) the performer says one thing will happen but something else does, (3) the performer says he’s going to do something but it happens by itself, (4) the performer is caught, he admits it but then he and the audience are surprised, (5) the performer and the audience are on different planes and (6) the performer explains something that will happen but he doesn’t understand why it happens.

 

All of these can be “the magician in trouble”.

 

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Two that come to mind for me are:

Dai Vernon's "Triumph" following the story line of the man deliberately shuffling the cards face up and face down yet the magician gets out of trouble. (Stars of Magic p.23)

Paul Gordon's "Eight of Diamonds Trick" where you spell out 8D to find a spectator's card (which is not the 8D) leading everyone to think 'Oh boy, the magician is in trouble now..." and the card turns out to be the chosen card. It can be found in PG's Explorations,  or Harry Lorayne's Best of Friends III titled as (Gr)eight! (pg 362).

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Paul Gordon's "Eight of Diamonds Trick" where you spell out 8D to find a spectator's card (which is not the 8D) leading everyone to think 'Oh boy, the magician is in trouble now..." and the card turns out to be the chosen card.

This plot has MADE MY DAY! I'm always on the lookout for good plots and I truly did miss this one. I'll be working on it for days! Thanks to Paul for the plot and thanks to Harry for publishing it!

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I'm generally not a huge fan of the plot, mainly because it so often appears disingenuous and overplayed. Two tricks that come to mind where the "trouble" is built in and doable my most magicians are "Play It Straight Triumph" and Paul Green's "Jeopardy".

The tricks where the audience thinks the magician is in trouble, but the magician is unaware are my favorites. Off the top:

Charlie Miller's Dunbury Delusion
Billy McComb's McCombical Deck
Harry Lorayne's Revelation

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Here’s a Perverse Ambitious Card Routine which is a “magician in trouble” plot which I posted on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum.

 

The plot is as follows:

 

 I have a card selected and say it will come to the top and it’s not there – another card (say 4C) is there. I bury the 4C and try again but again the 4C is there. I spell the selected card but at the end it’s the 4C. Finally I say I’ll do the trick with the 4C and say it will go to my pocket but when I reach into my pocket it’s the selected card. I’m surprised and frustrated.

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Just about any effect can become a magician in trouble effect if you don't play your cards right. [wink]

I don't have a favorite that is deliberately a magician in trouble effect, but I do make that part of my practice routine when implementing a new effect. The audience doesn't necessarily know if you're in trouble, but it's always good to have a couple of outs. A good magician in trouble can make for a good out.

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Sam - When you mentioned "Just about any effect can become a magician in trouble..." it brought to mind a book that Daryl recommended in one of his lectures many years ago... Outs, Precautions and Challenges by Charles Hopkins. Definitely worth $5!

eBook version: http://www.lybrary.com/outs-precautions-and-challenges-p-27987.html

Softcover version: http://winklersmagicwarehouse.com/store/books-cards/outs-precautions-challenges-charles-hopkins/

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Sam - When you mentioned "Just about any effect can become a magician in trouble..." it brought to mind a book that Daryl recommended in one of his lectures many years ago... Outs, Precautions and Challenges by Charles Hopkins. Definitely worth $5!

Personally, I believe that book is outdated and quite frankly the methods are inefficient.
Currently I'm working on something that I hope and believe will make that book obsolete.
Some here are familiar with what I'm working on, but I haven't settled on a title yet.
The System should essentially remove the need for "outs" in the traditional sense of the word.
It will also allow you to change almost any "challenge" into a miracle.

I've used this system for over 25 years but it's taken me a long time to codify it.
If people find it useful though, it will be worth it!  [idea]

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Marlo's "Cardician Makes Good" is a good one. It's in MINT Vol.1 and also a different handling is in The Cardician. I may share this one in the Marlo section.


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Steve - How about "Intelligent Card Strategy" as a title for your book? I look forward to it! (whatever the title)

I agree that a lot has happened since the first appearance of the "Outs, Precautions, and Challenges" book in 1940, but until your book is ready... a few things can still be gleaned from it. [smile]

I yanked my copy off the shelf and was reminded of a nice top card glimpse in the course of an overhand shuffle. The principle of using peeks and/or crimps to guard against mishaps is still sound advice. A couple of more colorful techniques using nail writers, daubs, and reflectors make for interesting additional weapons in the arsenal but need more attention than what is paid in Hopkins' book.

I don't know... I still get a kick out of the 'older stuff' and nostalgically think of Vernon and Miller performing, discussing, and ultimately superseding these approaches.

Card magic is so rich!!

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Does Pit Hartling's CHAOS: Mandelbrot's Revenge from his The Little Green Lecture count as magician in trouble? 
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I have several postings to this thread above but I want to make one point here.

If the audience thinks you’re in trouble you must continue to entertain – because if they really believe you messed up they will lose interest and  - well – look away  - perhaps at the wrong time.

I pointed this out in the effect “The Missing Card Was In My Pocket” which I posted on both the Card Magic and Session Room sections back in February 2016.

There I said:

 “Once again I must emphasize that when it looks like you’ve missed the spectators will lose interest and YOU CAN”T LET THAT HAPPEN!           

That’s why I say something that will indicate that I didn’t miss but something happened – (“That card is not in the deck.”). I spread the deck face up to show the card isn’t there but it would be boring and slow things down if I had everyone look through the entire deck so I quickly say, “The card is in my pocket!”  

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2 words:

Dunbury Delusion.
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H  Cardshark,seeing as you mention Dunbury Delusion,i thought i would put up this video of myself doing a one hand version of same trick.There are 2 videos joined together,if you watch the second one in particular you will see that the lady i perform for really does think i have made a mistake and she gives a good reaction when the correct card is revealed.I hope you like it. 





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Cardshark,the wrong video came up but hopefully this is the correct video,

Dunbury Delusion.

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Yes that's it. Beautiful.
GREAT reaction, especially from the lady. Nice one-hand work culldavid.
I do a 2 handed method that I've modified a bit. But same trick.
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The effect KILLS spectators.

I use different controls depending on the situation. This is how I perform it. I pretend I just learned the trick & that they're the first one's to see me do it. I want them to really believe I still don't know it & that I messed-up. Then BAM!

This video doesn't do it justice. I've done it live a bunch of times with great success. Live, my spectators wouln't detect me "working".
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Peter Duffie boiled it back to it's bones in Contemporary Card Magic called A Minor Delusion. (Card Zones p. 38)
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Was this ever published? Or is it going to be? Sounds very interesting!

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Personally, I believe that book is outdated and quite frankly the methods are inefficient.
Currently I'm working on something that I hope and believe will make that book obsolete.
Some here are familiar with what I'm working on, but I haven't settled on a title yet.
The System should essentially remove the need for "outs" in the traditional sense of the word.
It will also allow you to change almost any "challenge" into a miracle.

I've used this system for over 25 years but it's taken me a long time to codify it.
If people find it useful though, it will be worth it!  [idea]
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A-M-A-Z-I-N-G plus!
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