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Rick Holcombe

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This is my version of Gary Kurtz's wonderful routine "Trio". I set out to use only three regular coins, no gaffs, no extras.

Hope you enjoy it and would love to know what you think!

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That concealment you are doing around 2:18 is outstanding. Very nice work.
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I have appreciated your work before, but I have to say---the. Productions are not believable. Having invisible coins and blowing doesn't ring true, at least not for me. What do you feel is wrong with the Kurtz routine?
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Looks great to me Rick. I'm not sure what Michael's objection is. Is it the "logic" of going from imagination to reality?? It sure looks magical.

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As usual, another gleaming example of a well practiced and magical coin routine. Thanks Rick!

It would be cool to have you join one of the sessions and share some of your techniques/philosophy on coin magic. I would definitely sign up for that!!
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Beautiful work, Rick. Your gestures appear as natural as possible considering what's going on behind the scenes. 

Thanks for sharing.

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I have appreciated your work before, but I have to say---the. Productions are not believable. Having invisible coins and blowing doesn't ring true, at least not for me. What do you feel is wrong with the Kurtz routine?


Michael, I think Kurtz's routine it great! I'm not trying to improve anything here, just challenge myself. I wanted to do the routine with only 3 ungaffed coins. Kind of an exercise in creativity.
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As usual, another gleaming example of a well practiced and magical coin routine. Thanks Rick!

It would be cool to have you join one of the sessions and share some of your techniques/philosophy on coin magic. I would definitely sign up for that!!


Thaanks Dan!
I'd love to do that, but I'm not really familiar with the process. I haven't yet participated in a session, but I'd be glad to do it if there is enough interest.
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Rick, good thinking on creativity. I like kurtz' stuff, but his presentations are sometimes strange.
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First off I'd like to say that I have been watching your videos as they have been posted, and have enjoyed them.

Im going mention something here about the piece, and some of the comments in this thread.
A couple of the posters (here and elsewhere) have mentioned how magical this piece looks - I disagree. This is a showpiece, which demonstrates your skill - it is a skill demonstration. Now please don't misunderstand, I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, nor am I putting you down in any way. As a display of skill its good, and certainly demonstrates you know your stuff, but a display of skill it is - it is not a piece of magic.

Quite a lot of modern coin work seems to fall into this category. As nice as some of it is, its really coin manipulation rather than coin magic.


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First off I'd like to say that I have been watching your videos as they have been posted, and have enjoyed them.

Im going mention something here about the piece, and some of the comments in this thread.
A couple of the posters (here and elsewhere) have mentioned how magical this piece looks - I disagree. This is a showpiece, which demonstrates your skill - it is a skill demonstration. Now please don't misunderstand, I am not saying there is anything wrong with that, nor am I putting you down in any way. As a display of skill its good, and certainly demonstrates you know your stuff, but a display of skill it is - it is not a piece of magic.

Quite a lot of modern coin work seems to fall into this category. As nice as some of it is, its really coin manipulation rather than coin magic.


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I know what you mean Jim, and I do appreciate your input. I have thick skin woth regards to fair criticism and I think you have given a fair critique.

This is a long routine with multiple phases, so I do think the manipulation aspect begins to show through.

I dislike most patter, so I either choose to do things silently if they're short enough, but when routines are longer I try to make the patter more conversational. So, my goal here was to hopefully draw more attention away from manipulation by just having the coins play a part in the story/reflection.

Do you have any specific critiques about the lack of a feeling of magic?
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I think the magic cafe coin stars are good examples of wanting to show a lot f moves rather than performing magic. For example, one of them displays his version of the well known Geoff latta vanish that Chris Kenner popularized. He turns the coin to his mouth and blows on it and then hides it in finger palm, and there is no moment at which you see the coin vanish. You just have to take his word for it. So, that's his move, but it doesn't look like magic.

Gary Kurtz, on the other hand, performs technically demanding stuff, but you are never aware of moves, but magic.

Sorry to babble on.
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I know what you mean Jim, and I do appreciate your input. I have thick skin woth regards to fair criticism and I think you have given a fair critique.

This is a long routine with multiple phases, so I do think the manipulation aspect begins to show through.

I dislike most patter, so I either choose to do things silently if they're short enough, but when routines are longer I try to make the patter more conversational. So, my goal here was to hopefully draw more attention away from manipulation by just having the coins play a part in the story/reflection.

Do you have any specific critiques about the lack of a feeling of magic?


I will attempt this.  First Gary Kurtz is amazing.  When he performs for lay people he really performs feats of magic.  Usually humorous sometimes scary but very magical.  What he writes for magicians?  Teaches at lectures, puts on dvd is for magicians and usually more of a display of skill.  That is what sells to magicians.  but careful not to confuse the two.

It is hard (for me) to put into words what is lacking magicially.  There is a lot of hand washing and awkard movement that as magicians we excuse, but it screams of hiding something in the hand and manipulating the object so we can't see it.  We all, (magicians and most laymen) are impressed but we know what it is for what it is.  There is no mystery, what we see is a person who has taken a vast amount of time to learn a lot of moves like a musician who dedicates her/his life to rehearsing.  Talented? no doubt.  Incredible to watch?  Absolutely.  Magical?  not in the sense that magicians should be using the term.

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I will attempt this.  First Gary Kurtz is amazing.  When he performs for lay people he really performs feats of magic.  Usually humorous sometimes scary but very magical.  What he writes for magicians?  Teaches at lectures, puts on dvd is for magicians and usually more of a display of skill.  That is what sells to magicians.  but careful not to confuse the two.

It is hard (for me) to put into words what is lacking magicially.  There is a lot of hand washing and awkard movement that as magicians we excuse, but it screams of hiding something in the hand and manipulating the object so we can't see it.  We all, (magicians and most laymen) are impressed but we know what it is for what it is.  There is no mystery, what we see is a person who has taken a vast amount of time to learn a lot of moves like a musician who dedicates her/his life to rehearsing.  Talented? no doubt.  Incredible to watch?  Absolutely.  Magical?  not in the sense that magicians should be using the term.


But there's only one hand wash.
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Should magical, in the sense that magicians use the term, be defined as a spectator contributing the vanishing and re-appearing coins to actual magic, and not the performers skill to use sleight of hand to entertain?

To quote John Bannon, "In this day and age ,do we gain any credibility or respect from pretending to do real magic, pretending to do the impossible...?"
Like Bannon, I also don't have an answer, but I do believe that even if the handwashing is recognized as a clever way to conceal a coin, contemporary audiences will let themselves believe they have seen "magic".
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I think the important question about "hand washing" is whether or not it is perceived by lay people as hiding the vanished coins. If that thought occurs, the magic evaporates. 

I assume that virtually no one these days believes that the coins have really disappeared i.e. that REAL magic is at work. Similarly when they watch Avatar, they don't think that the blue creatures are real. 

Hopefully in both cases the audience "suspends disbelief" in order to have an experience. 

I think Kurtz's handwashing technique is, perhaps,the best I've seen. I think it would pass muster in the real world. In other words, I don't think it causes people to think "AHA! I see where those coins are." If it does, then he shouldn't be using the technique.

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He did one at the end, after the coins were gone, with an air of finality. Doing that kind of thing more than once can be distracting.

Kurtz has giant hands, woah. I guess that's why he can get away with it.

I meant during trio he does it once.
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Technically although not flawless (a lot of clinking of hidden coins coming through and some other much more minor things), this was very good. I really think the weakest part of this was the story. If anything it was too complex and distracted from what was actually happening. I think it would have been better with less talk or a simpler story, or as a silent manipulation act just to the music in the style of Dafedas B. He somehow makes something that is obviously a manipulation act still feel magical and I think you definitely have the tools the get there.
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Gary definitely has large hands. That's for sure!

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I hope I didn't sound all mean in my original critique
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