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Rudy Tinoco

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Imagine having your memorized deck riffle shuffled by a spectator and then spread the pack, asking that they take out of group of cards (I've had them take up to 13 cards). Without running through the face up pack, you're able to determine every card in their hand!

It's called "The Five Senses" and it's amazing!

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"thinking the impossible" and the second book (I don't know if it is in english too) are really great books.

I used them a lot if I want to fool a magician, because you can hide the maths really easy following his advices.


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The effect is actually called, "Super Telepathy for Skeptics".

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The effect is actually called, "Super Telepathy for Skeptics".

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Sounds like a great effect, easily worth the hassle of resetting your stack. Another trick that is pushing me to learn a stack.

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I'm posting a demo in about 5 minutes, so you can see what it looks like.

Hope that you're doing well, Alex!

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Another trick that is pushing me to learn a stack.


I've been thinking long and hard about learning a stack.

First I was thinking I'd learn the Aronson stack, since I have a few of his books.

Then I was thinking the Tamariz stack, because it's lesser known.

Then I was looking through my books, and found my Joyal book that I bought many years ago.

In less than 2 hours, I've got 28 of the cards memorized. I can't name them instantaneously, that's going to take more practice.

Once I learn the Joyal stack, proving to myself that I can learn a stack, I may switch to either Aronson or Tamariz.

Just thinking out loud. But OP, if you're on the edge, you may just want to try the Joyal stack.


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Another trick that is pushing me to learn a stack.


I've been thinking long and hard about learning a stack.

First I was thinking I'd learn the Aronson stack, since I have a few of his books.

Then I was thinking the Tamariz stack, because it's lesser known.

Then I was looking through my books, and found my Joyal book that I bought many years ago.

In less than 2 hours, I've got 28 of the cards memorized. I can't name them instantaneously, that's going to take more practice.

Once I learn the Joyal stack, proving to myself that I can learn a stack, I may switch to either Aronson or Tamariz.

Just thinking out loud. But OP, if you're on the edge, you may just want to try the Joyal stack.


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I think Mats Kjellström has mentioned the Joyal Stack to me as well. This may be a silly question, but particular stacked deck effects work with any stack? Or are they designed for particular stack orders.

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@Alex,

Both actually.

The Aronson and Tamariz stacks have some built-in effects.

As far as I know, the Joyal stack does not.

I've learned the Joyal stack in a couple hours work. It takes me a second or two right now to come up with most of the stack order or card, but with practice the rules will disappear and the answer will be automatic.


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        Hey guys - learn my systems, which I teach in most of my books on memory training, and you can memorize cards (stacks or whatnot) in minutes, not hours. You guys have to start reading the good stuff!!
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I would not have wanted to memorize Mnemonica without Harry's techniques. They really work!

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         Been proving that for over sixty years now.
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        Hey guys - learn my systems, which I teach in most of my books on memory training, and you can memorize cards (stacks or whatnot) in minutes, not hours. You guys have to start reading the good stuff!!


I already own The Memory Book. I bought it in ~2005 (for college studies). I had a chuckle when I refamiliarized myself with "magic" and realized that I already had one of your books.

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Fine Harry,

But only because it's you.
(Just kidding, pondering Super Memory Power)


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Ramon Rioboo's book is AMAZING! every single piece of it!!!

I learned the Mnemonica with the techniques that Tamariz explains in the book. Harry Lorayne's method works too, but I found it easier to use Tamariz's ideas. That worked for me, but everyone learns differently. 

And talking about good books... Best of Friends from Harry [biggrin] If you don't have them, go ahead and check them out... it's a jewel after a jewel
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Ramon Rioboo's book is AMAZING! every single piece of it!!!

I learned the Mnemonica with the techniques that Tamariz explains in the book. Harry Lorayne's method works too, but I found it easier to use Tamariz's ideas. That worked for me, but everyone learns differently. 

And talking about good books... Best of Friends from Harry [biggrin] If you don't have them, go ahead and check them out... it's a jewel after a jewel


I completely agree, Marc!

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Best of Friends= hidden gems. Just read a great ace spelling routine in BOF 3 called "that darn 4 of clubs". In BOF 1 there is a great glimpse of a selected card from a tabled spread on page 125.

What I always loved about Harry's books, is that when I buy a book if I find one effect I like, to me the book is worth it but with Harry's books if you only found one you probably just read the first trick in the book. Loads of great material in ALL of his books.
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Best of Friends= hidden gems. Just read a great ace spelling routine in BOF 3 called "that darn 4 of clubs". In BOF 1 there is a great glimpse of a selected card from a tabled spread on page 125.

What I always loved about Harry's books, is that when I buy a book if I find one effect I like, to me the book is worth it but with Harry's books if you only found one you probably just read the first trick in the book. Loads of great material in ALL of his books.


But don't forget to read all the way through... In Afterthoughts there are 2 effects I like. One of them (Combination Aces) is kind of in the middle and another one (The 29th Card) is almost at the end. So read the books from cover to cover and you will find something that suits you...

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Imagine having your memorized deck riffle shuffled by a spectator and then spread the pack, asking that they take out of group of cards (I've had them take up to 13 cards). Without running through the face up pack, you're able to determine every card in their hand!

It's called "The Five Senses" and it's amazing!


Thanks Rudy!

Also check out "Sherlock" by Pit Hartling, great effect if you want to let the spectator to shuffle your mem deck (twice!) after the spec selected a card themselves and returned it in the deck themselves [biggrin] and you will finish in mem deck order once the trick is done.

It's in Pit's new book "In order to amaze"

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This sounds like a great effect and book Rudy,

I have read a little bit about it online but perhaps you could tell us a little more. Apparently this book contains various sections on mathematics and subtleties, along with the stacked deck work.

Hopefully you can expand on this book, or perhaps give us a mini review.

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"Thinking the Impossible" is one of my favourite books.  I have performed his routine "In the Bluff" many times for laypeople and magicians - that's just the first one that comes to mind, there are others that I use and many more that are high on my "to be worked on" list.

Most of his routines do not involve significant sleight of hand ... I think palming a card into your lap might be the most technical move in the book and I think it's only in one effect.  Many of the routines are based on mathematical principles but - and this is key - the math doesn't show and you don't have to bust your brain during performance.  Rioboo is a genius (a word I don't use lightly) at building presentations in which any procedure looks totally innocent. 

Here's an example, creatively titled "You Make Three Piles and I Don't Touch".  The volunteer shuffles his own deck, which you have never touched.  He cuts the deck into three piles, and shuffles the piles if he wants.  He picks a card from any pile, places it on any pile, and reassembles the deck with his card buried in the middle.  You now find the card.  No estimation, no fishing, no key cards, no kidding!

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This sounds like a great effect and book Rudy, I have read a little bit about it online but perhaps you could tell us a little more. Apparently this book contains various sections on mathematics and subtleties, along with the stacked deck work. Hopefully you can expand on this book, or perhaps give us a mini review. Soc


Hi Socrates,

Here is a video of the effect that I'm talking about (sorry about the poor quality).



I'm parked at a gas station right now, but will post more when I get home [smile]

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Nice Rudy. Fan of the book also, lots of great material. I'll try to put up a video of his trick "World's Smallest Computer"  which is one of my favorites in the book.
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I saw Jared Kopf perform something similar at the Castle. He gleaned the value of 15 cards divided amongst five spectators. I suspect he used an index and, if so, his subterfuge was devilishly clever! I'll add that this effect was the crown jewel in one of the most intoxicating performances I've witnessed in that little theater.
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I look forward to hearing more... this book sounds most intriguing.
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I'll be posting my video of the worlds smallest computer. Just wanted to say any of the four suits can be named when I asked for the suit, not just the red ones.
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Very nice!
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Thanks for sharing, it reminds me of Steinmeyer's 9-card effect - I like it [cool]
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Thanks guys.
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