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The Great Hawk

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So, the effect is thus, very simple:
A card is touched, looked at, and the deck is shuffled, the magician riffles down, cuts where the spectator says stop, and what turns out to be the wrong card turns into the selection while face up and no cover. I'll put 1 post for each step, and if this already exists, someone tell me and I'll take this down.

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I'm assumimg everyone here has more or less the same level of skill (intermediate) so I won't go incredibly into detail, but...
1st step:
Have a card touched while the deck is spread facedown between your hands. After it is looked at, control it to 2nd from the bottom using Marlo's convincing control. Overhand shuffle retaining the bottom stock and very casually allow the bottom card to flash so there is no suspicion of control.
Onto step 2...

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Step 2...(a bit tricky)
Obtain a right thumb break above the bottom 2 cards while deck is held in left hand dealing position. With left thumb, riffle down outer left corner and request a "STOP". Swing cut top half into left hand, drawing attention to right hand portion where spectator requested stop. (Postion check: original top half in left hand, right hand holding bottom half in Biddle grip with a thumb break above bottom two cards)


As you use your left thumb to peel off top card of right hand packet and right packet is used to flip stopped at card over, you do what I guess would be called a "Biddle addition" and drop right hand thumb-broken cards below it. Step 3...

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Step 3...
So you have now on top of the left hand portion a face up indifferent card with the chosen card face down below it. After you ask if that was the card and you get a negative reply, you get a left pinky break below the top 2 cards. This next part is a move I think Looy Simonoff made as I remember reading it in Paul Harris' AOA.
You hold the left hand with it's 2 card break at arm's length and swiftly drop down a foot or so, and the two cards will flip over very quickly. If all went well, it looks like the indifferent card changes to the original.
Again if this is already a thing I apologize or if I didn't explain it well enough I'll answer any questions.

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Hi, Great Hawk. Welcome to the forum.

My first impression is that this seems like an acceptable handling of a trick so standard that probably just about every card person already does it. It's great to have a way of doing it that works best for you, but I'm not sure that much originality can be claimed.

By the way, if you're following a convincing control with a shuffle, there's a good chance you don't need the convincing control.
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The Flippant move!
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Beautiful I think I'll give it a try
Well done and very well explained good job
And hey, welcome!
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     Looy's Flippant Move was/is in an early edition of APOCALYPSE.
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Originally Posted by chris w
Hi, Great Hawk. Welcome to the forum.

My first impression is that this seems like an acceptable handling of a trick so standard that probably just about every card person already does it. It's great to have a way of doing it that works best for you, but I'm not sure that much originality can be claimed.

By the way, if you're following a convincing control with a shuffle, there's a good chance you don't need the convincing control.

I knew this wasn't very original (at all), I just liked the part where you add with a Biddle instead of stealing which (oddly enough) I've never read anywhere.
Also, I'm curious, why is it bad to follow CC with a shuffle? I always false cut or shuffle after CC.
Thank you btw!

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I knew this wasn't very original (at all), I just liked the part where you add with a Biddle instead of stealing which (oddly enough) I've never read anywhere.
Also, I'm curious, why is it bad to follow CC with a shuffle? I always false cut or shuffle after CC.
Thank you btw!


Same actually! I didn't used to. Then I think I read about how important it was to do after doing a Spread Control, and I realised that it seemed to improve things after doing most controls. Maybe not necessary, but I think audiences seem to think the trick is a little more impossible if they really believe you're shuffling the deck in a way that mixes it beyond your control.
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It's not bad to follow CC with a shuffle. Who am I to say what's bad?

It's just that, if you're following a control that's "convincing" because it apparently leaves the card in place while actually controlling it to somewhere else without a shuffle... with a shuffle... there's a possibility that you could nix the move, hold a break, double undercut or shuffle the card to second from the bottom, and have it look just the same to your audience. The way you're using the CC here, it's not getting you much. Unless you're really playing up the point gained (hands-off cleanness of the insertion), less moves might be better.

Of course, there's also value in using the sequence that's most comfortable for you, as that's probably the one you'll do best. So feel free to disregard everything I've said!

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I think that if you shuffle after a convincing control, it could look like you are trying to control the card. Just a thought, not criticizing anyone. But, what I mean is, with a convincing control, the card is allegedly in the center of the deck anyway.

An alternate ending, just for session sake: after showing the wrong card, cut them to the top of the deck. Take the two in biddle grip in one hand and the deck in the other and say that you will find the right card with one hand ,and do a one hand cut (Charlier?) and, with the other hand, do a twirl change. The wrong card becomes the right one and all is right with the world.
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The whole point of the convincing controls is that you don't appear to manipulate the cards in any way. Further cuts or shuffles are giving you the opportunity  to "do something".  However, for the 'average spectator' I don't think it matters.    
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