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Buffalo McKinley

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Hello,

At the beginning of this video, does Shin Lim use a classic pass to move the Queen of Spades to the top of the deck? 





If not, is it possible to determine which technique he uses by watching the video?

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No, it's not a Classic Pass. Is it possible to determine the method from the video? Yeah, probably, but one could just as easily get it wrong as get it right. Are you more interested in knowing the exact method, or duplicating the effect? For instance, one could obtain a similar effect, especially in the eye of a spectator, with a color change.

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Buffalo McKinley

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Thanks, Anthony.

I'm just curious how the trick was likely performed and thought I'd reach out to the experts here.
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I'm not sure if we can discuss methods in this section?? It's definitely not a Classic pass. There's a gaffus in play. Close up, the deck looks rigged. I think anyone looking closely at the video will see some strangeness on top of the deck and above the selection going in.

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I'm not sure if we can discuss methods in this section?? It's definitely not a Classic pass. There's a gaffus in play. Close up, the deck looks rigged. I think anyone looking closely at the video will see some strangeness on top of the deck and above the selection going in.

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Yeah, that's why I didn't take it any farther. Buffalo isn't yet qualified for the Session Room, so I left it here. At least for the time being.

I'm really surprised that the trick was used given the obviousness of the gimmick under the stage lightening. Surely they saw it during rehearsals? 

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Yeah, that's why I didn't take it any farther. Buffalo isn't yet qualified for the Session Room, so I left it here. At least for the time being.

I'm really surprised that the trick was used given the obviousness of the gimmick under the stage lightening. Surely they saw it during rehearsals? 

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Hahah, I feel the exact same way about people's sleight of hand sometimes.
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Yeah, that's why I didn't take it any farther. Buffalo isn't yet qualified for the Session Room, so I left it here. At least for the time being.

I'm really surprised that the trick was used given the obviousness of the gimmick under the stage lightening. Surely they saw it during rehearsals? 

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I don't understand.

Methods aren't discussed in this forum?  Forgive me, but I thought that's the point of this forum.  Please explain how this forum works so I don't ask an inappropriate question again.

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I don't understand.

Methods aren't discussed in this forum?  Forgive me, but I thought that's the point of this forum.  Please explain how this forum works so I don't ask an inappropriate question again.

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Buffalo


Your question was perfectly fine, Buffalo, and I apologize if I gave you any other impression. We can discuss generalities on the Open Forum, but we reserve specifics for the Session Room. Once you've reached 100 posts, or sooner in some cases, you will have access to that area. In the meantime, any discussions that don't get too deep into specifics are fine. 

If you have questions, you can reach out to me, any other mod, or Rudy. We're happy to help whenever able!

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Buffalo, as Anthony already mentioned, methods are discussed in a little more detail in the Session Room, not so openly anywhere else within TMF since these pages can be found and seen by people who are not into magic. Once you are a member of the Session Room, then you will be able to see more threads that discuss methods in more detail. Maybe then we could move this thread into the SR and discuss it a bit more openly.
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Buffalo McKinley

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Got it.  Thanks.

I'm almost there with the Classic Pass, so I was hoping that I could use that technique for a similar effect.

Shin Lim doesn't move his lower hand at all, so I was thinking that he was either doing the Classic Pass perfectly or was using another technique I'm unfamiliar with.

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I'll save you a little bit of time in that you won't have to wait until you have access to the sessions room.  If you are thinking he is using any sort of sleight you are wrong. Well not entirely wrong, there are a very few sleights used nothing as complex as a classic pass, or any other sort of pass.  And there is no sleight at the point you mention.  Cover yes as there are some shinanigans going on.
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Buffalo, if you are a beginner there are way better effects with which to spend your time than this one.  This one is best for TV and those of us that know what is going on can tell you it isn't even very good for that medium as the method is obvious.
Interesting, creative maybe, but very limited in use and IMHO not worth pursuing.  BTW, how come the tattoo didn't have her signature on it?  Shouldn't it have?  And why rub the card on his chest.  Pressing would make more sense.  Rubbing would smear the card if you follow logically.  Whatever.  Not my cup of tea in any event.
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   It's also possible to determine from the video that there's no way in the world - in the history of card magic - that the "move" (if ANY) could in any way/shape or form been the Classic Pass.
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