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If you could only do three sleights or moves for the rest of your life, what would they be?

1. Push thru Shuffle
2. False Cut 
3. D/L

Remember, only 3.

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Virtually all the stuff I do for laypeople is built around a control, a false (overhand) shuffle system, and an occasional two card lift. All accompanied by lots of bluff and double talk.

Plenty of scope for a lifetime of fun with cards.

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   I've said it in a number of my books - going back decades - you can do miracles with cards if you can do three "items" - a good control (force can be considered a control), a double lift/turnover and a palm.
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I don't know enough yet to confidently pick three. But if I had to go with what I know now, I would have to go with a classic palm, a crimp change, and a retention vanish. That would probably allow several things.
Even though I know you're probably talking about card magic.
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A Switch, a Control and the Force. 

They've served me well for many a moon [wink]
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Control, Force, Double Lift.

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     Control/force should be considered as "one."
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Perhaps 1. a palm 2. Control/force as Harry said 3. maybe  top change or double lift

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Originally Posted by Harry Lorayne
     Control/force should be considered as "one."


Oh, I dunno... Maybe. Yeah, I guess so. In that case, I amend my list to read Control, Double Lift, Elmsley Count.

(Not arguing with your choice of Palm, it's just that I use the EC far more often.)

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Cull,Control,False shuffle would be my 3.
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For me:

1.  Halo Cut
2. DL
3. False cut
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Gonna have to go with Harry. Control/force, double lift and palm.
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1.) A control
2.) DL
3.) Overhand shuffle
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1. Control
2. Overhand False Shuffles
3. Faro Shuffle-not really a sleight but love tricks using it
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Let me try and respond in a really specific way - so which particular control etc (much harder to think of!).

1)  The first has to be the OHS in-jog control (assuming break doesn't count as an additional one!): 
Versatile, in-the-hands, standing, reasonably easy, very fair and ordinary looking, able to position to specific locations anywhere near top or bottom of deck, can act as control and false shuffle, can be used as a whole deck false shuffle, can be used to cover getting a crimp.  The best workhorse sleight there is (IMHO).  If you allow me to also add the OH lift shuffle as part of this same sleight, then you have a decent force thrown in too.

Now it gets tricky - and depends a lot on what tricks you usually do.  Really 3 isn't quite enough, 5 would be far more practical.  Especially because I would really want a false cut to add in, but since it's not strictly speaking necessary (I have a false shuffle), I had to leave it out.

For me, then:

2) A paintbrush double turnover (either with or without a get ready).
A DL is necessary for a range of effects, and this one seems (IMHO) to be the most direct and useable.

3) Now this one can vary - if I cant include the OH lift shuffle under 1, then I'd use this slot to include a sure-fire in-the-hands/standing force - probably the Hindu force.  If I don't need a force in this slot, then I'd probably use it for false in-the-hands cut (Trinary triple false cut).
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If limited to only 3 moves, my performances would be severely hampered.
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Hmmmm this is tough! 

  1. Definitely some kind of control. My favourite is a control with a crimp but I generally wouldn't count it as a move as its very open and casual. However it isn't suitable in all situations anyway, so I'd go with an overhand shuffle control. Like Chris M, I love the jog shuffle and the lift shuffle.
  2. The Angle Separation. I use this a lot. Simply to perform my favourite effect: Out of This World. However if I was proficient at culling all 26 red cards using a Hofzinser style cull then I'd choose that as its more versatile: You can cull 1 or multiple cards, do an under the spread force, and can be used as part of the convincing control. 
  3. A glimpse of a card following a spectators peek. You know the thing where you riffle through the deck and get them to say stop so they can peek a card? I use this a lot, following with a glimpse as I hand the deck out for shuffling. 
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     Angle Separation is a direct rip-off of my The Great Divide. The Great Divide is much easier to do and is one heck of a secret separation of the colors.
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I didn’t know that Harry, I believe I learnt the angle separation from Card College.
Is The Great Divide in print anywhere? I’d love to check it out.
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     Hi: The only place to find it now is in LORAYNE: THE CLASSIC COLLECTION, Vol. 3 - along with re-written, updates, etc., of  Quantum Leaps, Trend Setters, Dingles Deceptions, Numero Uno and - The Great Divide.  One heck of a bargain. You can find information about it at harryloraynemagic.com. Best - HL.
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Thanks Harry, I’ll be taking a look soon!
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I'm gonna play the role of troublemaker here.

The entire point of this thread, I'm afraid, is an exercise in the nonsensical.  You can easily ask which three sleights are most important to you, or which three you employ the most often; when phrased that way, it makes sense.  But why in the world would we, even if only for a moment, limit ourselves to three sleights?

I can see where you would want to limit yourself to one variant of a move (e.g., Herrmann v. classic pass).  But if I *had* to limit myself to three moves?  Hell, Mahdi Gilbert does more than that.

Now, if you'll excuse me....I've got to go figure out exactly how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.
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   Who ever said to LIMIT yourself to three...etc.?  I sure never did. What I wrote about five decades ago is that you can do miracles with these three...etc.   Never said to LIMIT yourself to those three.  Talk about "exercising the nonsensical."  Yes, I think it's best for you to use your time to do the "angels/pin" or to pay more attention. I do as many or more moves as Mahdi does I'm sure - but don't use Herrmann or Classic passes AT ALL.
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I don't think the point of the thread is to actually limit ourselves to 3 moves... But more to consider the still incredible effects we could achieve with just those 3 moves. 

Look at Card College from the point of view of a beginner, 5 volumes packed full of hundreds (maybe thousands!) of moves. That could be quite daunting for anyone. But its interesting and reassuring that with just 3 moves you could perform a lifetime of great magic. 

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    That's what I said.
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A reminder:

"If you could only do three sleights or moves for the rest of your life, what would they be?"

Fair enough it doesn’t say limit oneself to three moves, nor choose three moves or Anything-At-All three moves. Not specifically, anyway.

That said, I did take it to mean which three moves/sleights/whatever would we settle on if we had to. Others see it slightly differently and that’s fine. But whichever way we interpret it, the exercise is not at all nonsensical. How can it be? It’s stimulated an interesting discussion.

Wasn’t that really the point?

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False Shuffle, Cull, Palm.
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1. Jog Shuffle
2. Palm
3. Ultra Move
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Well, since you'll be doing only them for the rest of your life, you would want them to be the types of moves that could absorb as much practice as you could bring to them (I know, they all can).

I would work to make them as imperceptible as possible in and of themselves, and then I would work on making the misdirection as subtle as humanly possible, in order to produce truly magical effects - a quality you don't see all that often.

And since, I would be limited in moves, my lifetime's energy would also have to be spent creating new and better effects, free from the idea that it's the moves that make the effect.

This exercise can remind us how form and structure can increase creativity rather than limit it. A great example, in my mind, is the sadly late, great Brian Gillis, who only performed a limited number of effects, but I think you'd be hard pressed to think of anyone who could do them or sell them any better.

The moves for me would probably be 1) Classic Pass, 2) Double Lift, 3) Top Change. 
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H Lorayne. “in jog shuffle” control.

Double lift

Elmsley count


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