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I came across an old article I wrote about Ron Bauer's Two Card Turnover Technique and started tinkering with it. Big mistake. However now that it's rewritten, I thought that I'd post it up for a nominal fee-- but it'll only be up there until I get tired of it and do a new one! [biggrin]

In my opinion, the information in these four pages is worth a lot more than 5 BUCKS, but that's what I'm asking: FIVE BUCKS!

You'll get the complete instructions from Ron and original roughs (illustrations) that Ron had Sandra Kort draw-- because the illustrations in Magicana were incorrect. In fact, they were horrible. Few people realize this, but Ron had different techniques for turning the cards back over and you'll find descriptions of a few of those as well.

And finally, you'll get some tips/variations from me and Paul Chosse-- all for less than what Starbucks charges for two coffees! Feel free to share the link with others as well-- I LIKE Coffee! [crazy]

Pick up a copy here!


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Hi Steven,

Isn't this a take off on Harry Riser's technique? Which came first - Harry or Ron? I have always associated the taking of the double at the outer right corner and turning more or less end for end, with Harry Riser.

Any thoughts?

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I just bought it! Thanks Steven!
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Isn't this a take off on Harry Riser's technique? Which came first - Harry or Ron?

The short answer to your question is: No, it is not. In fact, the opposite is true. I sent you a PM if you'd like to discuss it further but I'd prefer not to do this in public. I'd rather not foster any animosity between the two parties involved.

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This is not a comment on the origin, as I am certainly not privy to any inside info on the history/origin of this, but I will say that I purchased this from Steven when it was first made available (a couple of years ago).

It is quite remarkable, very "do"-able, and a GREAT(!!) deal at $5.


Steven,
Is this an upgraded version from what you originally offered? If so... it's so good that I will buy it again (yes!! it IS that good).

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Evan
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Just read through it...excellent! I'm looking forward to more great stuff from you, Steven!

Rudy

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Is this an upgraded version from what you originally offered? If so... it's so good that I will buy it again (yes!! it IS that good).

Thanks Evan-- I don't recall selling this information-- but there was an article I wrote years ago that had the original instructions and roughs. But this is more focused on learning the move and the returns. It also has details on how I do the pushoff. So it is different.

Because I know that the previous article had the roughs and the original instructions, I've priced it so it's easier to purchase than search the File Sharing sites! [biggrin]

Ron was kind enough to allow me to make the only authorized video tutorial on this move but that's no longer available, so your stuck with the PDF for now. Perhaps I'm make a new one someday...

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I think I bought the video tutorial years ago, and just purchased this version.  As simple as it looks, it will take some work, but IMO worth it.  Opps, wrong again, it wasn't a tutorial, but a demo.
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Hey folks, I wasn't trying to stir up issues re: the double lift technique. Years ago Kevin King showed me the move and attributed it to Harry Riser since he has seen Harry use it. This is where I got the idea that it came from Riser. Here's what happened next:

I mused that it looked a bit unnatural. It wasn't what I was used to seeing with double lift techniques. Kevin called the bartender over and said, "Hold this deck like you're going to deal. OK, now turn over the top card to face up on top of the deck." The guy handled the card exactly as in the Bauer technique Steven is teaching! I then had to think that my technique was the unnatural one.

I think that what Steven is teaching is an excellent and very natural double lift technique. Ron Bauer really puts a load of thought into his techniques. The Bauer palming technique is unbelievable. It's just invisible. And this double lift has the same qualities - totally natural and invisible. 

Mike


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Hey folks, I wasn't trying to stir up issues re: the double lift technique. Years ago Kevin King showed me the move and attributed it to Harry Riser since he has seen Harry use it. This is where I got the idea that it came from Riser. Here's what happened next:

I mused that it looked a bit unnatural. It wasn't what I was used to seeing with double lift techniques. Kevin called the bartender over and said, "Hold this deck like you're going to deal. OK, now turn over the top card to face up on top of the deck." The guy handled the card exactly as in the Bauer technique Steven is teaching! I then had to think that my technique was the unnatural one.

I think that what Steven is teaching is an excellent and very natural double lift technique. Ron Bauer really puts a load of thought into his techniques. The Bauer palming technique is unbelievable. It's just invisible. And this double lift has the same qualities - totally natural and invisible. 

Mike



Thanks for the info, Mike. I didn't think that you were trying to kick up dust.
You're one of the good guys! [smile]

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Got that right Rudy, we're lucky to have Mike and Steven here sharing.  Much less all the others. 
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I really shouldn't be spending any more money on this stuff, but that video is too tempting.  Sold!
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Got that right Rudy, we're lucky to have Mike and Steven here sharing.  Much less all the others. 


I completely agree, Tom!

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Thank you Steven! Your next Venti Latte is on me.

I am looking forward to studying this. I looks like the action a normal human being would use to peel a card from the deck.
I've combined other methods to come up with something similar--but nowhere near as clean or reliable as what I see here.


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I learned this from Steven a couple of years ago.   It took practice to get the feel for the right amount of skin to do this.  And it changes very slightly depending on the type of deck you are working with.  It is the most natural DL that I know.   And the information Steven has added about the timing is essential to making this work.  I can, on some decks, get a perfect alignment most of the time.  On others, there is some small alignment issues but, either way, the timing tips make it 100% reliable. $5 is a steal to get a really workable DL that has no artificiality about it.  

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Now, if I ever get the Bauer Riffle Action Palm down, I really will feel happy.   Someday Steven needs to demo that one. It amazing, at least to me.
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Oh, and when I first heard about this, I did the research and found the original magazine article.   I went through and decided that I couldn't figure out how to make it work.   It was no wonder, since as Steven said, the illustrations were completely messed up.  For once in my life, the reason I couldn't make it work was not me.  [smile]
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Steven,

I have found this userful for a second deal also. Any thoughts?
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I have found this userful for a second deal also. Any thoughts?

Actually, I've used it to lay down doubles and trips, but haven't experimented with a Second Deal application yet. I can't say for sure, but my feeling is that I'd tend to rely on a Strike Second than a Push Off Second. But that's my preference, not a guideline or rule... [smile]

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Bumping this up because it is so good! Without a doubt, this is the most natural turnover I've ever used.
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Bumping this up because it is so good! Without a doubt, this is the most natural turnover I've ever used.


Totally worthy of being bumped!

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Regarding whether this is worth $5.00 or not, I say yes, definitely. If you don't currently do a convincing triple turnover, this is it.

You can learn this and use it the rest of your life. Five bucks is a steal. I've spent much more on "must have" books and videos that are gathering dust because they were filled with impractical stuff.

This is something to use!
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From Mike Powers' post above...
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 I mused that it looked a bit unnatural. It wasn't what I was used to seeing with double lift techniques. Kevin called the bartender over and said, "Hold this deck like you're going to deal. OK, now turn over the top card to face up on top of the deck." The guy handled the card exactly as in the Bauer technique Steven is teaching! I then had to think that my technique was the unnatural one.


The other night my sister-in-law was in town visiting and we had about 10 people around the table playing a game called "Spat". I had a great time observing various shuffling and dealing techniques. One head-scratcher was a nephew who deals out of his left hand but counts from right to left! When he had to count, he swithed the deck to his RH and spread cards into his LH. Weird! And my youngest nephew, who is 9 was performing very well executed tabled riffle shuffles. Lesson to me is natural is as natural does.
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Lesson to me is natural is as natural does.


Great observation that has proven to be true in my experience as well.

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I can't say enough good about this technique. It has revolutionized my doubles. Although it takes a little finesse to get right, I picked it up pretty quickly. I still can't get great consistent triples, but my doubles now are better than ever.
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Somewhere there's a tutorial I did for the R.A.P.-- I think it was pretty detailed. Ron asked to see it before I published it and there was only ONE Detail he asked to be corrected. So I did an addendum at the end of the tutorial. I think it was on the Palming DVD...


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