Liwag Subtlety and Crimp Change by Marion Boykin

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KenTheriot

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Posted 1455325319 · Edited	Reply with quote #1

I was showing Rudy some coin stuff after he so generously helped me with some card stuff. It's a great time to learn magic! Anyway, he was particularly interested in a conceal that Marion Boykin uses a LOT, based on the way Homer Liwag sometimes utilizes the Ramsay Subtlety. MB calls it the "Liwag Subtlety." Bob Kohler called this same handling "The Ramsay Extension," and Homer Liwag never really called it anything. ANYWAY, MB has done some great things with it, including a quick change he and Vinny Marini (The Godfather) call the "Crimp Change." Since so many people - magicians included - are fooled and amazed by this, I thought I'd share here (Rudy - if this belongs in another subforum, let me know!) where to learn these two utility moves (though the crimp change can be used as a quick trick all its own). MB hs downloadable videos at http://www.vinnymarini.com/ To specifically learn the Liwag Subtlety and Crimp Change on the same video, I recommend The Crimp Change (duh) video. Cheers! Ken
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Michaelblue

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Posted 1455337327	Reply with quote #2

I've read through some of his stuff and i honestly do not understand that Liwag subtlety. It just seemed like a more complicated Ramsay subtlety. But then again, I didn't understand, so I am most likely wrong. Glad it works for you, though.
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KenTheriot

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Posted 1455338103	Reply with quote #3

Michael - It's truly amazing what a difference it makes in your ability to conceal a coin compared to the Ramsay subtlety, especially considering that it is really just a change in the angle of the coin created by pulling back your ring finger and pinky to place the coin about 80 percent of the way to Nowhere Palm (curl palm in the ring finger). The primary difference in effect is a much greater ability to show the palm open. I'll make a video and maybe put it into the Sessions forum. Ken
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Rudy Tinoco

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Posted 1455351756 · Edited	Reply with quote #4

This looked really great when Ken showed it to me. He switched a coin at his fingertips and his hand looked really clean. I asked him to move his hand at different angles, so I could see where the flash points were. I was impressed with how well hidden the coin is in that grip. I'm glad that Ken is going to post a video. Rudy __________________ http://www.facebook.com/magicrudy http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
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Michaelblue

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Posted 1455373977	Reply with quote #5

Sounds pretty cool, I'll have to go back over that.
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KenTheriot

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Posted 1455385659	Reply with quote #6

OK. Let's see if I can make this video show up. Please ignore the little blood blister I got on my hand last week:-P. It's not part of the trick. Ken
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Michaelblue

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Posted 1455398351	Reply with quote #7

Interesting, so it's a sort of nowhere palm, edge grippy kind of thing, i would imagine. I've been doing a similar change with what Richard Kaufman calls Edge clip. Yours looks awesome, by the way.
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KenTheriot

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Posted 1455404412	Reply with quote #8

Thanks Michael! Yah, it has the same effect as Nowhere Palm and/or Edge Grip. But it's MUCH easier to get into and out of quickly than either of those. It's as easy as finger palm because in a way, that's all it is. Just get it to FP and then lever it down/out by pulling your ringer finger back. I don't know if it's the same as Kaufman's Edge Clip. I looked through his book, "Coin Magic" and couldn't find it in there. Where does he mention it? Cheers! Ken
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Michaelblue

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Posted 1455405699	Reply with quote #9

Oh, sorry. He mentions it in the book Williamson's Wonders, during the chapter on The Wonderful Coin Vanish.
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KenTheriot

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Jim McGowan

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It's just a slight variation of the Ramsay Subtlety. Others have used it through the years. Homer said he didn't even know it was named that and doesn’t think it should be. MB likes to name a lot of moves that are very slightly changed from the original moves. But, hey - as long as we're adding to the confusion, right? Jim
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Posted 1479518881	Reply with quote #14

Big fan of the Crimp Change! I met MB in the Cafe' which led me to Vinny. I was just watching Vinny's Crimp Ology video at: Now I need to incorporate the edge clip technique mentioned above. Usually, I just kept in in FP
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