KenTheriot
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Michaelblue
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I've read through some of his stuff and i honestly do not understand that Liwag subtlety. It just seemed like a more complicated Ramsay subtlety. But then again, I didn't understand, so I am most likely wrong. Glad it works for you, though.
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Michael - It's truly amazing what a difference it makes in your ability to conceal a coin compared to the Ramsay subtlety, especially considering that it is really just a change in the angle of the coin created by pulling back your ring finger and pinky to place the coin about 80 percent of the way to Nowhere Palm (curl palm in the ring finger). The primary difference in effect is a much greater ability to show the palm open. I'll make a video and maybe put it into the Sessions forum. Ken
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This looked really great when Ken showed it to me.
He switched a coin at his fingertips and his hand looked really clean.
I asked him to move his hand at different angles, so I could see where the flash points were. I was impressed with how well hidden the coin is in that grip.
I'm glad that Ken is going to post a video.
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Michaelblue
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Sounds pretty cool, I'll have to go back over that.
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OK. Let's see if I can make this video show up. Please ignore the little blood blister I got on my hand last week:-P. It's not part of the trick .
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Interesting, so it's a sort of nowhere palm, edge grippy kind of thing, i would imagine. I've been doing a similar change with what Richard Kaufman calls Edge clip. Yours looks awesome, by the way.
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Thanks Michael! Yah, it has the same effect as Nowhere Palm and/or Edge Grip. But it's MUCH easier to get into and out of quickly than either of those. It's as easy as finger palm because in a way, that's all it is. Just get it to FP and then lever it down/out by pulling your ringer finger back. I don't know if it's the same as Kaufman's Edge Clip. I looked through his book, "Coin Magic" and couldn't find it in there. Where does he mention it? Cheers! Ken
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Oh, sorry. He mentions it in the book Williamson's Wonders, during the chapter on The Wonderful Coin Vanish.
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Ah OK. Thanks! Ken
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It's just a slight variation of the Ramsay Subtlety. Others have used it through the years. Homer said he didn't even know it was named that and doesn’t think it should be. MB likes to name a lot of moves that are very slightly changed from the original moves. But, hey - as long as we're adding to the confusion, right? Jim
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Right . Ken
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Big fan of the Crimp Change! I met MB in the Cafe' which led me to Vinny. I was just watching Vinny's Crimp Ology video at:
Now I need to incorporate the edge clip technique mentioned above. Usually, I just kept in in FP