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Socrates

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Logan-Five has alluded to this topic in previous posts.

The subject is an interesting one, and I recently came across a short little audio interview with David Abram which is fitting to the topic - you can listen to it here:

http://archive.ttbook.org/listen/59141

Mr. Abram has much more to say on the subject in his books and other writings.

"It is not by sending his awareness out beyond the natural world that the shaman makes contact with the purveyors of life and health, nor by journeying into his personal psyche; rather, it is by propelling his awareness laterally outward into the depths of the landscape at once both sensuous and psychological" - David Abram

This connects with the thoughts of Eugene Burger as you can see in this excerpt from the Chicago Tribune article on him and his life:

"Magic, Burger kept saying, represents our wish for immortality. The magician, he kept saying, has a lot in common with the healer. It's all about our innate desire to see things made whole"

Give the audio a listen, contemplate his words and see what you think.
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Thanks for the link.

BTW - Abram's book "The Spell of the Sensuous" is very cool.



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Wow his voice and intonations sound just like Eric Mead.

Incidently, part of the transcript of the introduction to Eric's TED talk on The Magic of the Placebo found here;
https://www.ted.com/talks/eric_mead_the_magic_of_the_placebo?utm_campaign=tedspread&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=tedcomshare


For some time I have been interested in the placebo effect, which might seem like an odd thing for a magician to be interested in, unless you think of it in the terms that I do, which is, "Something fake is believed in enough by somebody that it becomes something real." In other words, sugar pills have a measurable effect in certain kinds of studies, the placebo effect, just because the person thinks that what's happening to them is a pharmaceutical or some sort of a -- for pain management, for example, if they believe it enough there is a measurable effect in the body called the placebo effect. Something fake becomes something real because of someone's perception of it.


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Attended a lecture of his many years ago, have the notes somewhere. It might have been the first New York Magic Symposium in 1982, but I can't swear to that. 
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Thanks you guys for those above links, found them interesting. When I was in my early 20's ( way back in the day ), I sort of grew up in a Pentecostal type of church, you know, Holy Ghost in fire kinda place, and I remember the time when an evangelist came to church holding a revival meeting for a few days.

In church there was a lady who attended our church, I don't remember what her condition was but, she shook uncontrollably, she did this while the service was taking place. During the revival she was there too. At the end of the evangelist sermon, he called people to the alter for salvation or a healing or both.

She went down to the alter to have the minister pray for her, when he touched her on the forehead, she fell on her back, and I felt a certain vibe that made the hair on my arms stand up, when she returned to her seat, she didn't twitch and move around in her seat like she did. She believed she got healed that night. 

So after the revival meeting the next time I saw her in church she sat in the same place she didn't twitch or move around, that was unbelievable, but week after week...she didn't shake anymore. I mean, what could that be but her believing that God healed her, and who is to say that he didn't. Our minds are a very powerful thing indeed and I always think of this when someone is talking about the placebo effect. Did God heal her, did her own mind heal her ? I don't know.

There was no-doubt in our church that God touched her and it had an effect on the whole on all the church members after that.

That's my placebo effect story.

Logan,
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