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Mind Phantom

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In my early 20's I started doing kid show birthday parties, and sure, the kids were into it, and it just seemed that the adults attending the parties really were not interested in magic, like the kids were. It seemed like that with every kid show I did, like I was sort of like a temporary baby sitter.

And for the longest time I thought adults really deep down didn't care much for magic Much later down the road, I became interested in mentalism as I started buying books on the subject, and found out that the adults really were VERY interested in mentalism, you know, mind blowing stuff.

Sometimes it seems to me, anyway, that many adults had this disinterest in regular effects of things we call Magic i.e the magician does a trick, they watch it..and decide if it's good or bad. I think that in magic the spectator watches the magician, and either they liked it or not.

In mentalism the performer engages the spectator as if both the participant and the mentalist discover something really mind blowing together, it's like a partnership in the mystery.

I am not saying that adults are not into card tricks and the things we all do, but, the experience is DIFFERENT  then mentalism.

What do you think? Am i way off base? Thoughts? I hope this post makes sense..

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Mentalism is more engaging because you have to be. Mentalism for the most part is thought of as prop-less. So what do you do to hook the people in? You have too find a way to engage them.

Magic for the most part is prop based. Magicians hide behind their props.

But magic CAN be engaging as well. Watch Eugene Burger. He always seemed to generate interest in what he was about to do right from the opening line.
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   Never particularly thought about it - but I don't believe I ever had a problem being "engaging" with just a borrowed deck of cards.  Same holds true for my memory work - not "mentalism" obviously but if placed between "magic" on the left and "mentalism" on the right I guess it'd lean just ever so slightly toward the right.

      Basically, magic/mentalism/what-have-you is the "media" - whichever...you have to be entertaining/engaging.
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I think the audience will react to the performer, not the performance. I could probably do pretty well entertaining an audience with just classical card magic, whereas I've seen mentalist that put me to sleep. 



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I think it was Lee Earle who said " magic is about the Magician - mentalism is about the spectators thoughts, feelings  and their inner world." I pretty much agree with that.

Another thing that makes mentalism so interesting is the fact that after watching a skilled mentalist, is that for some, it opens the door, to the possibility that what they saw was "real ". I know there isn't too many Uri Geller's out there making claims that they really have psychic abliities ( there is still a few ).

Harry, your right! Magic and mentalism can be both engaging if done by a talented performer. One guy that I really like is Lennart Green..drinks and cards are appearing out of nowhere as he is talking up a storm lol. Magic is very engaging at that level and it's fun to watch too.

Mentalist's can give, or not give a disclaimer to their audiences in affect telling them what they saw was not real and it's just entertainment, or you can leave that door open to let the audience make up their own minds as to what they just witnessed. It seems to be a never-ending debate at the green place as if to give a disclaimer, or not.

I think both magic & mentalism can take the spectator on a ride to the unknown ( sounds like something Jeff McBride would say ) and rattle their view of what's real & what's illusion, and we as mystery performer's ( and I include magicians as mystery performers too ) pay big bucks for these magical dealer items and books, dvd's etc, to blow people's minds with. We love fooling people and the spectators love us for experincing it.

Going to some of the larger magic clubs in my area, Sacramento & Concord I have seen mentalism performed very badly, I would rather watch paint dry lol. There was one guy who had a billet prediction inside of a baloon, he kept saying he was going to "pop" that balloon least 5 or 6 times, NOBODY wanted to see that damn baloon pop, with the needle he held in the other hand he finally popped the ballon and low and behold, his predition was correct.

Well, that's all for now.








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