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Rudy Tinoco

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Check out this incredibly entertaining performance of the Magic Square by Harry Lorayne!

The audience response at the end says it all...


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Check out this incredibly entertaining performance of the Magic Square by Harry Lorayne!

The audience response at the end says it all...



This is very entertaining to me! That looks too impossible! When I see the description for the DVD effects that are taught, this says only a demonstration of the magic square.

Where can I learn how to do this? 
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Very cool. This is in CC vol 2 (I believe). I cannot wait to read this one through.
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A version is also in reputation makers!
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And don't forget, it is also in 'The Magic Book'
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Harry is such a great entertainer! I love how exhausted he appears after having performed such an incredibly difficult and tiring feat of mental gymnastics [smile]

Those of us who know the secret, know that it was a piece of cake for him and the huge response that he gets in the end, demonstrates that it's all in the presentation and the acting.

We're lucky that Harry teaches us how to perform this effect and get the same response!

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This is an incredible routine. I'm performing at Fordham University this weekend and may include it. Such a feat of mathematical wizardry should play especially well at an institute of learning.
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Harry really knows how to sell a Magic square, he squeezes every last drop out of it in this performance. Thanks for sharing this, brilliant work Harry.
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That was great. Harry is such a joy to watch perform. Agree 100% with Rudy. We are lucky to have Harry here and to learn from him.
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I spent the last 24 hours studying the Instant Magic Square from Reputation Makers and The Magic Book and performed it for the first time this afternoon. What a reaction! Thanks to this forum and Harry's marvelously energetic presentation, I have a permanent addition to my repertoire. This is well worth the time it will take you to master (even though it's too early for me to say I have mastered it). Bravo, Harry!
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The basic Magic Square format Harry teaches is great, but I've always thought what if I wish to create repeat squares for different people at the same event. Is there a way I can disguise the pattern, or modify the square?
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There is another square in the Bert Allerton book. Similar idea to Harry's version but from memory I think there are different numbers used. You subtract 20 to get the key. You could use this for a variation and a repeat square.  I have used the magic square in a numerology reading. I say, "this doesn't really tell you anything about your life but it does prove numbers are mysterious". I give them the square to take home and let them know that the number they chose has special significance for them.
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Thanks Mark, I'll look into that. When I first began readings I did use Richard Webster's 'Chinese Numerology' square, I seem to remember he also had a book on constructing 4x4 squares for readings... perhaps that'll give some additional methods I could use.
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       I rarely have to repeat my version/presentation of the magic square - and I've been doing it for many decades. The only rare occasion - professionally, meaning on stage - is if someone who has seen me at a previous show is in this audience. And then, of course, there's no way that person is going to remember numbers/position of numbers, etc. So, never mattered.

       And yes, sure, I do my version for personal/social/friend/acquaintance groups - on a large pad. (I'm always asked to sign the page.) A few times over the many years - someone who had seen me do it recently would say, "Oh would you do that magic square thing....?" And, I'd say, "Let me show you something even better..." And I'd do one of the many strong mathematical things out of MATHEMATICAL WIZARDRY. End of problem. At least, fortunately, it's never been a problem for me. (I do, incidentally, know other versions of the magic square - I've had a couple published - but I don't use them - or even remember them - any more.)
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Thanks Harry, great thinking as always... You're a legend!
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I'm thinking you could use the same combination of numbers in a different manner within the 4x4 square. In other words, write 8, 11, 14, 1 in the bottom row instead of the top...then write 13, 2, 7, 12 in the third row instead of the second, and so forth. I haven't tried it, but I think it would work. By the same token, perhaps writing the numbers vertically starting with the right or left would work. If so, changing from horizontal to vertical should obscure the fact that it's the same formula.
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Thanks Mark, I'll look into that. When I first began readings I did use Richard Webster's 'Chinese Numerology' square, I seem to remember he also had a book on constructing 4x4 squares for readings... perhaps that'll give some additional methods I could use.

I use Chinese Numerology all the time. It isn't even a magic trick but just as, if not more, effective simply because you are telling people about themselves. It only takes about one or two minutes to do. You do it from their date of birth and work out a simple numerology charge based on that. It is a tic tac toe kind of square. I use Harry's Day For Any Date system as since I have their date of birth I might as well use it. I never make a big deal of it and casually underplay it as if it is the sort of thing any numerologist can do. They look slightly startled but are trying not to show it since that is how people react in front of psychics. They often know their day of birth which makes it more effective. If they don't I usually say, "ask your mother-she was there at the time" which gets a laugh. However, I only use this line when I am trying to sign people up for a longer session and the Chinese Numerology is free. Or if I am doing it for entertainment.

However, once people sit down for a paid reading I usually cut down on the jokes as a reading is often serious business. However, here is a tip for anyone who does readings. You will often get people who will show no reaction whatsoever. Probably about 50% of the people who sit down with you. They have probably heard about all this "cold reading" nonsense and body language business and are determined not to give a thing away. They are perfectly entitled to do this and it will not faze a good psychic in the slightest. The only problem is that it makes the reading a little more tense as the psychic will have no idea if he or she is getting it right or not. However, in most cases at the very end they will tell you how accurate and wonderful you are and then you can heave a great sigh of relief. I can assure you that if people are sitting there with seemingly negative body language and looking stone faced it doesn't mean a thing. It doesn't mean that they don't find you accurate. It just means they don't want to give anything away to you.

However, it can be a little stressful for the reader so here is a tip. You can make a little joke here and there in a reading. Contrary to standard wisdom there is nothing wrong with using humour in a reading providing you don't do too much of it. You are not doing a comedy show after all. You are dealing with someone's life. However, a small amount of humour relaxes the stone faced client and loosens them up  a bit and they will give you a little more feedback. In fact the more accurate you are the more they will loosen up.

But even if  they don't loosen up it doesn't make the blindest bit of difference if you know your business. Psychic ability is nothing more than heightened intuition and some have it more than others. And when you have sold svengali decks for years on end your heightened intuition becomes very strong indeed--that I can promise you.

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Talking about magic squares here is an idea I came up with but I expect someone else did too at one time as it is a very obvious option. It uses a nailwriter. Have the square all filled out already except for the 4 blank spaces. Tell them that you have psychic ability and have made a prediction. Ask them to name a number in the usual range. With the Allerton method you say between 24 and 100. I can't remember what Harry's range is but I think it is different. Nevertheless, they name a number and you prattle for a second or two to give you time to fill in the missing numbers with the nailwriter. You then show the square which will just appear to be a whole batch of random numbers. But then you knock them dead by showing your psychic ability combined with the mystery of the numbers adding up in the usual way.

You will probably create a sensation with this.

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I'm thinking you could use the same combination of numbers in a different manner within the 4x4 square. In other words, write 8, 11, 14, 1 in the bottom row instead of the top...then write 13, 2, 7, 12 in the third row instead of the second, and so forth. I haven't tried it, but I think it would work. By the same token, perhaps writing the numbers vertically starting with the right or left would work. If so, changing from horizontal to vertical should obscure the fact that it's the same formula.
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Yes I noticed you can change the orientation of the square, placing the numbers in different places. I've also begun to experiment with the pattern, and think I can allow the audience to give me four random numbers in the top line and then create a square from there.

Also have a rough idea of how to create a square for any number called without having to rely on the pre-memorised skeleton format, but I'm still playing around with ideas.

If I discover anything worthwhile I'll be sure to update you.
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   I've mentioned all those things - fleetingly - over the decades. I don't bother.
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Karl Fulves also has an automatic magic square in his book 'Self-Working Number Magic'. His version allows the audience a number range of 22 to 100, plus the book contains a whole of host of great ideas and is extremely cheap too.
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