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Logan Five

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My favorite routine for this type of effect is Gary Ouellet's Finger On The Card.

If they say "that's my card " I just try to ignore them or just keep talking, most people just won't say anything, which is cool. When it comes to the point of revealing a different card other then there own, I ask them what was the name of your card and they name a different card.

I then ask them to turn the card over, and there card has vanished.

What type of magician in trouble do you do? And how do you sell it?

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I have many such effects on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum. Here is part of one posted there on March 1, 2008:

 

“A Study in Frustration”  Again

 


 

This is a platform effect for small audiences.

 

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1          The magician tells the audience that they’re in for a treat. They have probably seen magicians find a selected card or maybe two selected cards but never this. He gives the deck to spectator and says, “Take out any 51 cards and give me the rest of the deck.”  The spectator smiles, realizes what’s going on and gives the magician back one card.

 

The magician explains that the spectator should remember his selected cards but he doesn’t have to remember the card he didn’t select the (say) 4C.

 

The magician shuffles the unselected card in with all the selected cards and says he’s going to find all the selected cards.

 

2          The magician cuts the deck and says he’s going to cut to – the KH. But, to his surprise, it’s the 4C. The 4C is shuffled back into the deck.

 

3          The magician says he will get the 9D fifth card down. He counts down but  alas, it’s the 4C.

 

4          The magician names the JH and spells it but again on the last letter it’s the 4C.

 

5          The magician is getting frustrated. He takes out a handkerchief and puts the deck underneath. He says he will find the 2H but again he gets the 4C.

 

6          He has an idea. He won’t put the 4C back into the deck. Now it can’t screw him up. He leaves the 4C on the table and reaches under the handkerchief to get the JH but – but – the deck has vanished.

 

            The magician gives up in frustration.

 

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At a recent convention, Brent Braun, did a thoroughly convincing magician in trouble effect. I complimented him on his ruse and he shared that having trained as an actor, he uses a method he was taught: whenever he needs to pull off the conceit he tries to solve difficult math problems in his head. 
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Actually mess up the trick.  I do have 1 magician in trouble, but I deliberately try not to sell it.  Some audiences like it when they can spot something they 'shouldn't', sometimes this includes when they can tell a magician is faking being in trouble.  They feel like they're the only ones who realised it, and then they start rooting for the magician to pull off whatever it is they're going to pull off.

Only two days ago I actually got into a situation where I was in trouble, after a triumph effect I had the wrong card face up, fortunately I had an out.  The finish was priceless, but that's because I really was in trouble, but they'd already seen me do a magician in trouble so they were more on my side, and they thought they were 'seeing through' it again.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that if your audience likes you, I guess you can get away with doing like almost anything.
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   Interesting --- check out That Darn Four Of Clubs in JAW DROPPERS TWO --- my takeoff on the original in one of my Best Of Friends volumes.
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Originally Posted by Logan Five
My favorite routine for this type of effect is Gary Ouellet's Finger On The Card.

If they say "that's my card " I just try to ignore them or just keep talking, most people just won't say anything, which is cool. When it comes to the point of revealing a different card other then there own, I ask them what was the name of your card and they name a different card.

I then ask them to turn the card over, and there card has vanished.

What type of magician in trouble do you do? And how do you sell it?

Logan,



I think with that type of effect, Dunbury Delusion etc. you need to tell them ahead of time not to tell you if they see their card. 

Of course, some magician in trouble effects are longer or structured different so that doesn't apply. Worst approach I've seen is when magicians ham it up which seems to defeat the object. 
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I just learnt an effect called (Gr)Eight in one of my latest book purchases, Jaw Droppers Two by Harry Lorayne.  Fantastic, easy-to-do trick that … with the right approach (and acting skill) … can be sold as a “magician in trouble” bit.  The ending will blow them away!


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   Interesting --- check out That Darn Four Of Clubs in JAW DROPPERS TWO --- my takeoff on the original in one of my Best Of Friends volumes.


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Generally not a fan as I seldom think it looks believable. Where it does work, I think, are those situations where the performer is unaware of the problem, e.g. Dunbury Delusion or McCombical Deck.

My favorite of this type is Harry Lorayne’s Revelation from CUCM. It just works. The only trick I do that uses the glide. Worth a look.

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It's probably unbelievable if your a pro. And especially if they've seen you do tricks already.

Even as an amatuer, I think folk are just programmed to assume it's all a trick. Best you can do is make it a funny effect, like Insurance Policy or 3.5 Clubs etc.
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That Darn Four of Clubs is an excellent trick. Here's a video of me doing the original out of BOF. Have it up in a few.
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     Well done. And yes; much stronger/better version in JAW DROPPERS TWO.
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Thanks for sharing this, rready! You can have a lot of fun with that one!

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     I still have copies of JAW DROPPERS TWO left for all those who want to learn this - plus about 65 other effects/routines.
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I think it depends on where in your act you pretend to mess up. If you pretend to find the wrong card and it's the first trick you do, people will walk away.

Do it later in the act and people will go along.

So if you really do mess up, you have plenty of time to get out of it.
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I think it depends on where in your act you pretend to mess up. If you pretend to find the wrong card and it's the first trick you do, people will walk away.

Do it later in the act and people will go along.

So if you really do mess up, you have plenty of time to get out of it.


That reminds me...

I recall an interesting story Harry told in an issue of Apocalypse about a girl who offered to "kiss" him is he found her card... Don't want to steal his thunder so... Harry, care to replay it here?!

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     Not really, Av. But if you want to copy/paste it here - you have my permission to do so. It sure did teach me a lesson.  H.
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A-M-A-Z-I-N-G, Plus from JD2 is a great example of an effect where the magician in trouble scenario is so inherently strong that little to no acting is required.
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On Harry's Best Ever  collection volume 1  something actually went wrong, and he kept it in the video so he could show how he got out of it. Really cool.
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Thanks for sharing your performance of That Darn Four of Clubsrready!  Harry has modified this in Jaw Droppers Two, to cut down the spelling and change the ending.

The humour and plot reminds me a little of Dave Williamson's hilarious "He Who Spelt It Dealt It" (taught in his book Williamson's Wonders and on his video Dave's Magical Mysteries Revealed), although "That Darn Four of Clubs" is a simpler and more straight forward routine.  In Williamson's trick, the ten spot cards of one suit chosen by the spectator are removed from the deck. The spectator becomes the hero, because whenever the spectator spells the name of a card, starting with Ace, the named card turns up; whereas whenever the magician spells a card he gets the Seven - even when he's down to just a single card!  It's based on Edward G Brown's "A Futile Lesson in Open Spelling".

You can see part of Dave's routine if you watch 0:10-0:50 in this video trailer for his video: https://player.vimeo.com/video/71675127

Some time ago Rudy also posted a thread discussing the Williamson routine here: https://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/david-williamson-he-who-spelt-it-dealt-it-7899878


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