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Please post your favorite marked card deck or, if you made your own marked deck, what did you use ?

I would like to use one for The Birthday Book in John Luka's LINT book & to use in future gambling demo's. I noticed that E-Bay has a few for sale.

What can you recommend ? And what routines do you use them for ?

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I believe that Penguin is selling bricks of marked decks for around $5/deck. The concept is that they're cheap enough to use as your regular deck. Have cards signed etc. 

The link is: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/8474

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If you want to buy the decks already marked, these are some I have found: 

Marked Phoenix deck  (I think the marks are easy to read)
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/card-magic/phoenix-marked-deck-set/

The GT Speedreader marked deck (they say they are easy to read although I don't have a deck)
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/close-up-magic/gt-speedreader-marked-deck/

The Boris Wild marked deck (if you are lucky enough to find the material needed, you could make your  own deck as well). I could not find a place with this deck in stock, but on Penguin you can buy a Boris Wild DVD set where he explains how his deck works. A few years ago I bought the material to make my own and I made 2 decks. It is a little difficult to use but with practice you can use it easily.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16701


If you want to mark you own decks, here is one system: 
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/ebooks/pm-card-marking-system/

There are more out there but this is the one I have and it is good.

I hope this information helps.


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My deck of choice is the GT SpeedReaders. They're conservatively, but smartly marked.
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If you want to buy the decks already marked, these are some I have found: 

Marked Phoenix deck  (I think the marks are easy to read)
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/card-magic/phoenix-marked-deck-set/

The GT Speedreader marked deck (they say they are easy to read although I don't have a deck)
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/close-up-magic/gt-speedreader-marked-deck/

The Boris Wild marked deck (if you are lucky enough to find the material needed, you could make your  own deck as well). I could not find a place with this deck in stock, but on Penguin you can buy a Boris Wild DVD set where he explains how his deck works. A few years ago I bought the material to make my own and I made 2 decks. It is a little difficult to use but with practice you can use it easily.
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S16701


If you want to mark you own decks, here is one system: 
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/ebooks/pm-card-marking-system/

There are more out there but this is the one I have and it is good.

I hope this information helps.



I bought the PM card marking system from vanishing inc few years ago. Have used it a lot. Never been observed during casual examination. It doesn't survive a riffle test but is easily seen. It's designed for bicycle rider backs. Effectively you can turn any of your rider backs into a marked deck all you need is most likely already in your magic drawer.

Other ready marked alternatives are the red keepers, DMC's Elite Rouges and 52Kards Mint's.

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I really like the PM system and use it ... but I have yet to decide how best to adapt it to Phoenix backs.

Bob Farmer has published at least two DIY marking systems for Bikes: one called "Farmarks" (or perhaps it was "Farmarx") and then another called "Blob-o-Vision" for reasons that become obvious when you understand the system.  Blob-o-Vision has the interesting property, unique among marking systems that I know of, that the marks are visible from across a room while remaining invisible to casual observers.  In light of this property I suggested to Bob that this system should have been called "Farthermarks".

I have used both of these systems - particularly Blob-o-Vision - with success.
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I 'juiced' a deck once following instructions in Racherbaumer's Card Finesse. I didn't do the big marks but dotted the backs of a blue bee deck using a similar system to the Mint marking system. Works beautifully. Easier to see than the Mint decks. 'Juicing' a very old technique I understand.
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Thanks a lot guys - you have been very informative !

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I've made my own marked decks with either Bicycle or Aviator.  I have an Aviator deck that I made about 20 years ago, and I still have and use them.  They fan nicely and even faro.  I like it because the marks just blend in with the back design.  I've done a few other variations with Aviators.  I've also done about 4 or 5 variations with Bicycles with marks on different locations for other people.  One of my favorites was in the clouds next to the cherub on the bike.

I like the concept of the GT Speedreaders.  In fact, he asked me to make a custom Aviator deck for his collection.
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I use The Code by Andy Nyman because of some of the properties that are specific put their for use with the Mnemonica stack.

I think that the markings are hidden well (wife tested and approved).

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Regarding the Boris Wild Marked Deck ... Boris once asked me to time him while he marked a deck.  It took him less than 15 minutes.  I really like the thinking behind this system but luigimar is correct - it takes a bit of practice but it's worth it.

Pattrick Przysiecki (TMF member and maker of fantastic close-up mats) sells a pen/stylus that writes in white.  This opens new doors for DIY marking.
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Marked card deck :

DMC Elites Rouge Deck



Featuring the incredible, unique, Optical Marking system, the new DMC ELITES: ROUGE Marked Deck is the fifth signature deck produced by Sovereign Playing Cards for elite British magician Drummond Money-Coutts. Each deck has been a collaboration between DMC (star of TV special Card Shark and 2015's Nat Geo series DMC Beyond Magic) and designer Phill Smith (Penguin lecturer), combining their perfectionism and creativity to create a unique series of incredible decks. With a brace of serious improvements and upgrades on previous versions, the DMC ELITES: ROUGE Marked Deck is, quite simply, the best deck Sovereign has ever produced. 

The deck features the fourth generation of the unique Optical Marking system, a powerful marking system designed specifically for the use of close-up and cabaret performers (as opposed to the gambling origin of many systems). The deck has an ingeniously hidden marking mechanic that is readable at great range, in poor light and with extreme speed. The system has been significantly refined over the last few years of development since it was first created. Each deck also now comes with a pictorial instruction card that explains the markings visually, without words. 

The system hides the value and suit of the playing card in plain sight, with no decoding necessary, no mental working-out to do - it literally just says the value and the suit, clearly and visibly, with a huge visible range on it. All this incredible clarity and you can still comfortably hand the deck to a layman safe in the knowledge that even if they search for marks, they will still not find them. The DMC ELITES: ROUGE is the only deck on the market now with this unique system. 

The deck has standard faces, and the finish is a completely new cardistry-grade stock and finish. Everything about the deck has been crafted to make it super useable, from the sturdy minimalist box, down to the deep red back color, to the card reveal hidden on the two custom Jokers. The DMC ELITES: ROUGE - the greatest marked deck in a generation and possibly the most useable deck for card magic available today. 

CAUTION 

These cards have been created with professional magic and mentalism performers in mind, but they could be put to work to gain an illicit advantage at the card table. If you want to crush your friends at snap, that's fine, have fun, but cheating at games where there is a gambled stake is unethical, immoral, and illegal. If you are caught, then you may be subject to prosecution by the law or violent reprisal from your marks. The technical skills required to cheat at the card table are fascinating to study, but Sovereign Playing Cards cannot be held responsible for any cheating that may be conducted using their equipment.
 

 

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Marked card deck :

DMC Elites Rouge Deck



The deck features the fourth generation of the unique Optical Marking system, a powerful marking system designed specifically for the use of close-up and cabaret performers (as opposed to the gambling origin of many systems). 

The system hides the value and suit of the playing card in plain sight, with no decoding necessary, no mental working-out to do - it literally just says the value and the suit, clearly and visibly, with a huge visible range on it. All this incredible clarity and you can still comfortably hand the deck to a layman safe in the knowledge that even if they search for marks, they will still not find them. The DMC ELITES: ROUGE is the only deck on the market now with this unique system.


Dan Waterman showed these to me and I could not see the marks. But once he pointed them out to me, they were like blinking billboards announcing the identity of the card [smile]
The marks are HUGE, but they flew right by me.

My only problem is that I'm that annoying guy who only wants to use traditional Bicycle Decks. 

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Rudy, I just saw this in today's Lybrary newsletter...

http://www.lybrary.com/low-vision-marking-system-p-725528.html

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I've been playing with two different marked decks...one, the Superior Readers and two, the Butterfly decks.

Butterfly decks are edge marked which gives you an advantage over traditionally marked decks. Superior Readers are clearly, yet unobtrusively marked with letters and numbers.  I'm generally not a marked card kind o' guy, but if I have to choose between the two, I'm going to go with the Superiors.  The Butterfly decks are ingenious but require you to do some quick mental math at any given point.  I'm not that smart.

Having said that, many of the top minds at the Magic Castle are raving about the Butterfly decks.
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If the spectator is never going to see the back of the cards (or only glimpse them in a shuffle), Henry Evans' "Daredevil Deck" is a marked card that will remove any fear you might have of misreading the card. The marks are huge and can easily be read in most situations outside of total blackout in the room. Unfortunately, they are also fairly easy for a spectator to read as well (my wife spotted the marking and read the cards to me within seconds of selecting a card). I use these for a stage effect, but you wouldn't want to touch them for a gambling demonstration.

The DMC Elites are absolute perfection to me. They aren't Bicycle, and I do believe a spectator could read the markings given time, but they are so very easy to casually read as you are returning the card to the deck. 

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I just got an ad for these new marked cards from Blue Crown...

https://thebluecrown.com/?utm_source=The+Blue+Crown+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f6745e6953-Bicycle_Inspire_Deck7_31_2017&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_dfcfab8b8e-f6745e6953-299856257&goal=0_dfcfab8b8e-f6745e6953-299856257&mc_cid=f6745e6953&mc_eid=35a95c4aa8


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Easy system, is good for me!!!
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One that I found online years ago is a 3D Marked Deck.  It's basically MagicEye images on the back of each card.  I can't find my decks to take a picture of them, but I did manage to find this one online.

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Nice!  Thanks for posting that, MagicTK, I have not seen those before.
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I think I bought 3 decks from this site http://www.3d-playingcards.com about 15 years ago, but it seems like it no longer works.

You can get some similar ones on Amazon, but I think those are a different brand, since the back designs are different.
https://www.amazon.com/Cheatwell-Games-Magic-Playing-Cards/dp/B00406S0J8


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I believe different decks are suitable for different purposes. So:

  • I need to identify a card from its back while on stage or platform - I'd use the Daredevil deck or possibly DMC's Elites
  • I need to identify a card from its back in a close-up situation - I'd use the Gt Speedreader if its while dealing or my own marking (marking stack numbers (a Marlo idea) using Ted lesley's idea of white letraset, in the top left area)
  • I need to find a named card in a face down spread - I'd use Boris Wild's deck (by the way, this is a terrible deck for identifying a card from its back because you need to look in four places, but a brilliant deck for finding a named card in a spread, because 3/4 of the cards are unmarked in the area you're looking in, so the 1/4 that are marked jump out at you)
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3D Playing cards
Top = JD
Bottom Left to Right = 3C  6S  7C

If I had to do this every time I wanted to know a card, there would be a definite tell as I pause to allow my eyes to unfocus and stare intently at the back of the card until I get the read. WAY, WAYYYYY too much work. Not a practical marked deck. Nice novelty though.
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3D Playing cards
Top = JD
Bottom Left to Right = 3C  6S  7C

If I had to do this every time I wanted to know a card, there would be a definite tell as I pause to allow my eyes to unfocus and stare intently at the back of the card until I get the read. WAY, WAYYYYY too much work. Not a practical marked deck. Nice novelty though.
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Red fine point sharpie and Bikes plus a marking system developed by Nick Pudar. A very deceptive marked deck.
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In the ad I thought they looked hilarious and I was super stoked enough to place an order for Danial Madison's KITTENS.

I guarantee you will NEVER get caught using these... Mostly because there is NO WAY you or anyone else can read them. Really disappointed with that buy.

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Legends by Lawrence Sullivan are by far my favs...

I found them because I thought I was being clever and the first to think to use binary with marked cards.  WRONG!
I think this system is a good balance of being covert and yet easy to use. Love Marc Stutzman's art work as a bonus.

https://deckreview.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/legends-by-lawrence-sullivan/

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on the very rare occasion I use Bicycles (which is hardly ever) I use Madisons Blood Marking system

since I mostly use designer decks or custom ones, I just use my own markings

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I have the penguin marked cards Mike mentioned above, they are super easy to read for old eyes like mine. They are Maiden backs so if you only want or like to use Rider backs this will be an issue for you but I like them. I know Erik Tait says these are all be uses (no idea if true or not) but if you like to use your own cards buying a few bricks would be cheap, if you don't mind using different cards or packets and move in and out lot's of different cards these will be fine.

I also have the Ellusionist 1800 which handle fantastically, the old distressed look is really nice for gambling routines if you like to play up the old gambler theme, the marks aren't bad but definitely harder to see than the Penguin Maidens.

Lastly I have some marked Keepers and they are the hardest for me to see, I never use them but I have been breaking them down for Lennart Green Stolen card type decks which I am building.

I really don't use marked cards but I think I will try the PM marking system just to see how that works for me.

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Michael Close has the PM marking system ebook on his site here;

https://www.michaelclose.com/products/pm-card-mark-system

The add copy;

A marked deck can be a potent tool for magicians of all skills levels. Avoid the expense of purchasing a commercially printed marked deck and make your own using Pete McCabe's PM Card Mark System.

Pete McCabe is the author of the highly acclaimed Scripting Magic books. In his new ebook, The PM Card Mark System, Pete provides you with a marking method that is easy to read and easy to prepare.

Also, you’ll find twenty-eight routines designed to baffle even those familiar with the concept of a marked deck (which probably includes most of the population of the world). Most of these routines involve only basic card-handling skills. The routines include either a full script or patter suggestions for turning the routine into a full-blown performance piece.

You’ll also find additional commentary and material by Michael Close.

This updated edition is provided in both EPUB (perfect for tablets) and PDF (perfect for desktops and printing) formats.

The PM Card Mark System is available for immediate download. Get yours before someone fools you with one of these great routines.
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I'm a big fan of the PM marking system.  I've been trying to find a way to adapt it to Phoenix backs.  I asked Mr. McCabe and he said he hasn't found a way to do that either.
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I've got a deck on my worktable getting ready to try out the PM system.

I like the ones from Penguin, and I have Bob Farmer's material where he tells you the very best pens to use -- Mike Close mentioned them in the PM book as well, and love them.

Just marking 'some' cards is a dream with those pens and nobody will see the marks.

I've got a couple decks marked up re: Bob Farmer's books, and have flown them past people with no problems at all.

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I managed to find my 3D cards, but I've also made custom decks on bicycles, and I have a few sets of Aviators.

It's extremely difficult to find these anymore though.  I had bought them online about 15 years ago or so.
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Here's my Aviators. Hand marked by me.  I have one deck that's 20 years old and still work great.  I love that the design blends in with the back design.


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I managed to find my 3D cards, but ibe also made custom decks on bicycles, and I have a few sets of Aviators. 0208192125.jpg 


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Aviators are my brand of choice and I used to mark them. Is that an A, 2, 4. 8 binary marking?
I used to punch Aviators too, but that put me on a no-fly list.

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Aviators are my brand of choice and I used to mark them. Is that an A, 2, 4. 8 binary marking?
I used to punch Aviators too, but that put me on a no-fly list.

PressureFan


I love the feel and look of Aviators.
They are not in CHSD order.  Not quite binary.  I did do a Bicycle deck once that had a version of binary marking.

QH, AS, 6C, 7D  are the 4 in the front of the spread, in this case.

I make them and sell them, but it's more than the ones mentioned earlier because it's me manually making them.
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Nice Aviator marking system! Because the backs of Aviators are uniform and geometric, it's hard to make easily readable marks. The backs of Bicycles are easy to mark. They have angels riding bicycles, birds, mountains, plants, and more scroll work than a franc note.
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Nice Aviator marking system! Because the backs of Aviators are uniform and geometric, it's hard to make easily readable marks. The backs of Bicycles are easy to mark. They have angels riding bicycles, birds, mountains, plants, and more scroll work than a franc note.


Thanks.  I have marked Bicycles in the clouds, on the cherubs/angels, and more.  I like the Aviators and marking on the dots because it reminded me of the gray dot illusion.
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I found them because I thought I was being clever and the first to think to use binary with marked cards.  WRONG!
I think this system is a good balance of being covert and yet easy to use. Love Marc Stutzman's art work as a bonus.

https://deckreview.wordpress.com/2013/02/16/legends-by-lawrence-sullivan


Wait ... are you saying that the Legends No 852 decks are marked cards?

That's the first time I've ever heard that.  I have one of these decks and never noticed anything extra ordinary, nor do the marketing materials for them mention anything about them being marked.

I'd love to learn more, please - private message if you prefer.

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"Going to the movies" is a good way to find out if a deck is marked or at least know if it is one way... That is how I found out 2 very popular decks were one way... PM me if you want more details about this... 
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"Going to the movies" is a good way to find out if a deck is marked or at least know if it is one way... That is how I found out 2 very popular decks were one way... PM me if you want more details about this... 


Excellent way to describe but not give away anything.

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Hi Guys...

Started a new job, and sick, so I have been VERY occupied.

If I am breaking a rule feel free to censor me (you son*of*a... )  < JOKE!

That said this is a magic forum in a subject about marked decks....

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RE: EndersGame

You showed the box for the first edition Legends #852

and

the backs of the second (Legends #202 Egyptian Edition)
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I believe both sets are marked.... I absolutely know the first edition is

Here is a link describing ALL the features of the first...

https://playingcardcollector.net/2013/11/28/legends-playing-cards-by-lawrence-sullivan/3/

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Anyone seen the "Brooklyn" marked cards? They are very interesting and not a lot of people seem to know about them.

Personally I am a fan of the Henry Evans Daredevil decks because you can't miss them damn marks!

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Anyone seen the "Brooklyn" marked cards? They are very interesting and not a lot of people seem to know about them.

Personally I am a fan of the Henry Evans Daredevil decks because you can't miss them damn marks!


I've never heard of these. Can you tell us a bit more? I'll send you the password to the Session Room so that you can feel a bit more free to discuss.

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Anyone seen the "Brooklyn" marked cards? They are very interesting and not a lot of people seem to know about them.

Personally I am a fan of the Henry Evans Daredevil decks because you can't miss them damn marks!


I have a couple decks of the Brooklyn cards -- I haven't spent a tremendous amount of time with them, but I had trouble reading them. I think I'd say nobody would ever know they were marked.

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