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Ok, you hardcore mentalist's out there, how do you feel after doing your show and people still look at you like a magician, or, call you a magician.

What do you say to them if anything ?

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Logan, you always ask the best questions!

I guess most would call me a "hardcore mentalist." If an audience member called me a magician after a performance, I would try to find a way to correct them without coming off as a jerk. It's not their fault they think of you as a magician, that's your fault the performer. 

If you want to avoid being called a magician, make sure that your image and brand is consistent. I'm not a full-time pro, but I'm trying to make that dream a reality. part of that is building a brand that makes it clear that I'm a mentalist. 



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I don't care what they call me. If they enjoyed the show and will come to see the show again and bring friends, they could call me the ice cream man.
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Evildan, the Ice Cream Man .... wasn't that a Stephen King novel?
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If I was a mentalist and after a show someone thought I was a magician, I would feel that I didn't do my job well enough, that would be on me. There are differences between the two ( mentalists & magicians ).
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I don't think that's on you. A lot of people don't know what a mentalist is. Even we have a hard time pinning down the definition. So people see you do the impossible and call you a magician because they don't know what else to call you.

I mean if you do a hell of a lot of marketing and become a household word...and you've worked on branding yourself as a mentalist to the point that you become a card in Trivial Pursuit...and then they still call you a magician....hah, even then you'll run into people that need to get out more.

It's like going fishing when you never have fished before. For you, you've caught your first fish. For your serious fishing partner, you caught a rainbow trout.
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It's for those reasons I don't use the term "mentalist". I think that it is too jargoning. Personally, I just use the phrase "mind reader". Can I really read minds? No. Does the audience understand the term "Mind Reader" better than "Mentalist"? Yes. I also believe most mentalists do a bad job at conveying what they can do. 

If I got called a magician after a gig, or when I do a small performance at an open mic, I know I did a bad job at presenting my character and abilities. That would make me reexamine my scripts and my overall brand.  It may not all be the fault of the performer, but some of the blame does belong to him/her. 

That being said, as a part-time performer, I don't really have all the experience to make definitive statements. Most of these opinions come from listening to people like Luke Jermay and Bob Cassidy and applying them to my work.   

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What does it matter?

If people are familiar with the word "mentalist" there’s a decent chance it’s from the TV show. And even though they may be familiar with the term they still have little or no idea of what it means.

This thread tends to point up the fact that magicians and mentalists and sundry other persons aren’t too sure either. 

 

As for whether audiences understand the term "Mind Reader" better than "Mentalist" well I think they "understand" neither particularly well. Do magicians? They’re layfolk after all and they’ll decide whether it was mindreading, mentalism, or something else entirely. And without using any specific terminology.

Ultimately they’re unlikely to think anything and simply applaud. If they do pause for thought, the conclusion will likely be: "It’s a trick," which is not in itself a criticism, it’s merely the type of thing the vast majority of layfolk say.

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I would tend to agree, to an extent. I believe that laypeople understand the concept of mind-reading more than the term mentalist. Like I mentioned, if they don't know what you can and can't do, you haven't spent enough time on your character or script to explain that. 


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"Right! I know some of the outcomes can seem almost magical. But I'm nothing fancy - just a guy who is fascinated by the human mind, and perhaps how we are normally under-using our potential. I try to focus that potential for my audiences."

Disclosure - I'm not a hard core mentalist, so this kind of "Everyman" phrasing works well. It also helps to make the audience feel closer to me as a person, which really helps break down the "just try and fool me, Mr. Magician" attitude.

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