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GreenKnight33

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Hey Everyone,

I have memorized the Tamariz stack, but haven't bought Mnemonica yet.  I know Pit Hartling has just also released his book In Order To Amaze as well.

So my question is, should someone just starting out in Memdeck work get Mnemonica, or would Pit Hartling also be a good one to start with?

I'm leaning on Mnemonica, but recently I've watched a fair amount of Pit, and really enjoy his work.

One additional questions:

I can't quite tell the level of sleights required for either of the books from the table of contents.

I can Faro, Top Palm, Hermann Pass, and cull one to four cards.  Still working on my strike second deal.

Any thoughts from the community?

Thank you in advance!
GreenKnight

P.S. - Just as an aside, I don't care at all for gambling effects.  I prefer more magical displays with cards, and not con-man.gambling themes.







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I don't have the Hartling book yet. But Mnemonica is a classic, with incredible depth and wonderful thinking. There is always something new to find in it. One of my favorite 10 magic books.  I can't imagine putting in the effort to master the Tamariz stack and not having this book.
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GreenKnight33,

I don't know if I got it right but you seem to think that Pit's new book is another stack, like Tamariz' Mnemonica. It is not. Pit's book is a book full of routines that are stack independent (mostly, I think they say it only contains 3 Mnemonica dependent effects). I can't tell you more because my copy of the book is on the way so I don't have it yet.

I would say you get both books. If you want to know which one first (if you don't have the money for both right now) get Mnemonica. It teaches effects using the stack and gives you a lot of information that you don't have right now (you seem to have learnt the stack from another source but you don't have any effects with it yet and the book has many more). Once you have mastered (some of) the effects from Mnemonica, then it is time to get more routines. That is where Pit's book comes in. It gives you more routines to do with the stack of your choice.

Pit's book has information/effects that can be used with other stacks. This book is to complement the information/effects you already have. It is like the next step in your stack work. The only problem is, it seems to be selling quite quickly and maybe it will be sold out soon and you could be left without it if you think too much. That is why I said you should get both books.

(Most of) The effects within Pit's book can be used with other stacks (Aronson, Joyal, etc.) so t is not just for Mnemonica. But don't think too much about it or you might be left without either book...

I hope this helps.


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Hello GreenKnight33, I would encourage you to download this free ebook from Vanishing Inc. by Simon Aronson…

https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic-downloads/free-magic-downloads/memories-are-made-of-this/

Then go buy yourself a copy of the Mnemonica. You will not be disappointed [smile]

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I can barely memorize my phone number, let alone a stacked deck...I have seen Rudy perform some effects from Mnemonica...they left me speechless...Guess I better get one of Harry's memory books.
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         Yeah, Waterman, then you won't be able to complain anymore about your bad memory. (Don't know if that's good or bad for you!!)
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Thank you all so much for your replies.  Apologies if I wasn't clear with the comparison between the two.  I was aware that In Order to Amaze was not a new stack, but since I now know the Tamariz stack, I was thinking (aside from the effects), is the Mnemonica book worth getting.

From your responses, still sounds like there's lots to gain from having it, so thank you for your feedback.

Thanks again for all the thoughtful responses.  Greatly appreciated!!
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Depending on which method you use, memorizing a stack can be more or less work. But, in my opinion, it doesn't matter. A memorized deck is the gift that keeps on giving. Once you have it under your belt, by whatever means, you will have a tool that will last a lifetime. Even if you added only a single card to your memory each day, you will have it in less than two months. If you use a methodology, for example, Mnemonica, you should have a deck well memorized in only a few days - that is, without searching your brain or thinking too much... Which stack to use? That will always be up for debate. Some stacks are handier for gambling tricks, if that's your thing. Other stacks have other features that come in very handy. However, no matter which stack you use, they all have that one thing in common that will let you perform miracles: they are a memorized stack!

This is not the same as memorizing a deck of cards. Thanks to Harry Lorayne, I can memorize an entire deck in a matter of a few minutes. That, in and of itself, is a wonderful ability. In this case, however, we are not talking about that type of method or associated thinking; we are talking about knowing a deck stone cold, permanently - backward and forward, any number gives the card, and any card gives the number, without any associative thought or mnemonic delaying the process. This special deck has not prevented me from using Harry's methods at all. I still like to sit down and practice memorizing a deck using Harry's methods - and I can create a nice entertainment at the same time. But, I still have my PERMANENT memorized deck.

I know there will be resistance to this idea, because it may take some work - more for some than others. The pay off is tremendous. There are so many utterly impossible effects that can be achieved with a combination of a memorized deck and a few sleights. Handy sleights would especially include a good shuffle and a decent pass. If you can maintain the order, even when apparently mixing the cards, you have a strong advantage. If you practice cutting to any card in the deck, after a while, I promise, you will start getting pretty good at it. So, a decent pass should always bring you to your card, within one or two on the top or bottom of the deck. Think of the possibilities! I also use a breather to easily get back to starting position.

Oh no! My mind is starting to swirl with miraculous possibilities! I better stop now, before all my secrets come pouring out!

-Steve
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I am always amazed how long a breather stays in a deck. I believe I learned it first from Bob King in a lecture many years ago or maybe it was in a Vernon book but so many tricks you can do with a breather in a deck of cards.
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I know there will be resistance to this idea, because it may take some work - more for some than others. The pay off is tremendous. There are so many utterly impossible effects that can be achieved with a combination of a memorized deck and a few sleights. Handy sleights would especially include a good shuffle and a decent pass. If you can maintain the order, even when apparently mixing the cards, you have a strong advantage. If you practice cutting to any card in the deck, after a while, I promise, you will start getting pretty good at it. So, a decent pass should always bring you to your card, within one or two on the top or bottom of the deck. Think of the possibilities! I also use a breather to easily get back to starting position.

Oh no! My mind is starting to swirl with miraculous possibilities! I better stop now, before all my secrets come pouring out!

-Steve


Great stuff, Steve! Thanks for sharing with us.

Another great bit of information to have is something that I learned from Denis Behr's, "Handcrafted Card Magic" that he calls, "Plop". Apparently, it's a little known feature of the Mnemonica stack that every four-of-a-kind can be found within a block of 26 consecutive cards.

Denis and Pit Hartling have put together an easy-to-memorize list of thirteen suits and thirteen number triplets that you can use to easily count from one card to the next.

Imagine that you want the aces...you'd cut a certain ace to the bottom and recall the triplet that you memorized (4,8,8). Count down four cards and an ace will appear. Now count down eight cards to find the next one and so on.

It's worth the price of the book just to have this chart that they came up with!!

Rudy


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Thanks Shufton and Rudy for your response.

I have the Tamariz stack memorized.  Both Number to Card, or Card to Number.  Just waiting now to get enough money together to get a used copy of Mnemonica to dive into the effects.  As mentioned previously, I'm not a gambling/poker/bridge type of effects person, so really just interested with more magical than con-man themes (although with some tweaks, I could make use of gambling themes to speak about larger issues like chance etc....I really like more philosophically toned themes). 

For now, I'm working on a routine and I'm loving scripting it out!  Love that process.  Excited for Pete McCabe's revamp of Scripting Magic coming out this summer.

Thanks again everyone!
GreenKnight
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