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There was a very cool trick described in the October MUM magazine by Antonio Cabral. It's a memdeck trick and I really want to learn it. I already have Aronson down pat and do several tricks with it already. 

This trick is called "That's What I Thought," and is a thought-of card trick that Cabral describes as "very similar to trick of Pit Hartling's that is in his book, "In Order To Amaze."

What I am not able to understand how to do are few of the sleights described in the trick, which I'm not sure are "safe" to mention in this forum. Am I allowed to mention sleights here? Ot should I take this to the Sessions forum?

Meanwhile, if anyone is familiar with this trick, can you let me know? 

Thanks!

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I don't think that if you mention the names of sleights you will be giving something away, as long as you don't describe them I think it will be ok. Names cannot hurt... and that way someone could give you some hints about those sleights...
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I don't think that if you mention the names of sleights you will be giving something away, as long as you don't describe them I think it will be ok. Names cannot hurt... and that way someone could give you some hints about those sleights...


I agree, maybe also exactly what part of the sleight you're having trouble with.
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I only subscribe to the Online M.U.M, and the digital version is delayed until the 18th.


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Great. OK, thanks.

The specific move is "side-jog the card above the break and glimpse it." First, I'm not sure exactly what he means by side-jog. I tried looking for it with Google searches, but found several different results. So if you can point me in the direction of a resource for that, it would be great.

Second, I don't see how I can do the glimpse when I'm holding the deck face-down. He doesn't mention a logical reason for turning the deck over or anything.

Any tips?

Thanks!

Ken
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what kind of a break is it?
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I'm about 90% sure that the move in question is leading you to do Marlo's Square Up Glimpse, or All Around Square Up. I know that it's in Revolutionary Card Technique, but you can find the All Around Square Up (not Marlos version) in Card College v1, and I think the peek (or at least A PEEK) is taught there, if not let me know. Unless someone else has any other ideas...
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If you are holding a little finger break, you can push the card up and to the side (depending on what hand you are holding the deck with), and the card will move to the side. All this movement will cause the deck not to be squared so you put the thumb under the deck and turn it over. In that action you glimpse at the card while you square up/table the deck. I do not if that is clear enough.

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Thanks guys. Cabral doesn't specify what kind of break. But maybe it's obvious (I'm still relatively new at card magic:-P) from the move(s) leading up to it. You've ribbon-spread the deck, and a spec has selected a card, which is removed from the spread. So there is a gap. Cabral says "gather up the spread, maintaining a break where her card came from."

And I now realize that I am not sure of the best way to accomplish even that:-P.

Does that clear up the picture at all?

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Thanks guys. Cabral doesn't specify what kind of break. But maybe it's obvious (I'm still relatively new at card magic:-P) from the move(s) leading up to it. You've ribbon-spread the deck, and a spec has selected a card, which is removed from the spread. So there is a gap. Cabral says "gather up the spread, maintaining a break where her card came from."

And I now realize that I am not sure of the best way to accomplish even that:-P.

Does that clear up the picture at all?

Ken


Oh man, I feel like this is something that would be very fun to session on.  I would just gather the spread, getting my thumbs to meet where the card was selected, the whole while pattering to my spectator.  Transfer it to a thumb break in biddle grip, get a step then do an all around glimpse.  You could get a pinky break instead then do a side jog by pushing out the card, then get an all around glimpse, but that for me is trickier than just getting a step and peeking the index.

That said I feel that there's an awful lot of room to customize this to suit you.  You could gather the cards into two packets, with the split point being where the card was taken, then gesture with the relevant packet to peek it's bottom card.  If order doesn't matter, you could just cut the deck at that point, then use one of many peeks to glimpse the bottom card.  You could injog the card slightly on squaring up and either use that to get a break and maintain the order to get a peek, or just shuffle it to the top and even use it to point/gesture at something.

That said, I really feel like based on the description you've given, Marlo's All Around Peek in RCT might be what you're looking for.
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Thanks! OK I think I get it. I like the step idea a lot. I just need to look up what Marlo's all Around Peek is. I know how to do an all-around square up, but that doesn't involve turning the deck over enough for a peek. 

And just to answer your question about order, it does matter[smile]. It's a memdeck routine.

Thanks again!!

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No worries.  Hopefully one day Mr. Cabral might join this forum, then we could ask him to clarify.  It may be some ingenious simple method that we just all missed.
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Great. OK, thanks.

The specific move is "side-jog the card above the break and glimpse it." First, I'm not sure exactly what he means by side-jog. I tried looking for it with Google searches, but found several different results. So if you can point me in the direction of a resource for that, it would be great.

Second, I don't see how I can do the glimpse when I'm holding the deck face-down. He doesn't mention a logical reason for turning the deck over or anything.

Any tips?

Thanks!

Ken

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magicfish has hit the nail on the head there for you Ken with those resources.

Just an aside about peek or glimpse (is there a difference?) with the pack face down, you can glimpse an out jogged (side or otherwise) without turning the packet.

Have a reflective surface nearby. I have a chrome card holder or a chrome polished cigarette lighter or a chrome card or money clip or some such. With sufficient sublty or misdirection you can get a glimpse without having to turn the packet over. Of course it works for a bottom card too.

I think I remember this from an old western movie I watched when I was a kid.

If anyone has those Gold cards. the one way back design that i think is a bank note is highly reflective. Perfect for glimpses if you now how.

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Thanks Gareth. I checked into the Marlo All Around Glimpse and that will work perfectly for this, since it's the card above the break needing to be glimpsed. I think I have what I need to do this trick now[smile].

Thanks to everyone!

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magicfish has hit the nail on the head there for you Ken with those resources.

Just an aside about peek or glimpse (is there a difference?) with the pack face down, you can glimpse an out jogged (side or otherwise) without turning the packet.

Have a reflective surface nearby. I have a chrome card holder or a chrome polished cigarette lighter or a chrome card or money clip or some such. With sufficient sublty or misdirection you can get a glimpse without having to turn the packet over. Of course it works for a bottom card too.

I think I remember this from an old western movie I watched when I was a kid.

If anyone has those Gold cards. the one way back design that i think is a bank note is highly reflective. Perfect for glimpses if you now how.

Gareth


Ooh, a shiner.  A cool variation I've seen is to use the screen of a phone that's turned off or sleeping.  They're very reflective, and nobody thinks twice about it being on the table.

(Sorry Ken, I know this thread is probably not the right place to put this, but now that we've started talking about ways to glimpse a card I think it's taking on a life of it's own).
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Ooh, a shiner.  A cool variation I've seen is to use the screen of a phone that's turned off or sleeping.  They're very reflective, and nobody thinks twice about it being on the table.

(Sorry Ken, I know this thread is probably not the right place to put this, but now that we've started talking about ways to glimpse a card I think it's taking on a life of it's own).


Chi han...of course!!!!!! hadn't even thought of that. Brilliant.

** Might start a new thread but not if it's answered by this thread, sorry to hijack your thread Ken.
 
Is there a distinct difference  in meaning in sleight of hand between a peek and a glimpse? 
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Interesting question.  I think the only difference is when the words are used.  A spectator will peek a card but a magician will glimpse it.  I'm interested to hear from others if there actually is a distinct difference between the two.
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I have no idea.  I use them interchangeably.  I agree with what Bulla says, when a spectator looks at the card it's usually called a peek and never a glimpse.
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Great. OK, thanks.

The specific move is "side-jog the card above the break and glimpse it." First, I'm not sure exactly what he means by side-jog. I tried looking for it with Google searches, but found several different results. So if you can point me in the direction of a resource for that, it would be great.

Second, I don't see how I can do the glimpse when I'm holding the deck face-down. He doesn't mention a logical reason for turning the deck over or anything.

Any tips?

Thanks!

Ken


Can you do a "Riffle peek" following the spectator's viewing the card? It would produce the same results as what Tony is describing without the side-jog being necessary.....

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