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Paul Hallas

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Quite a few handling variations over the years, here is the ORIGINAL handling so people have a baseline.




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Nice. Thanks, Paul. I saw the original demoed at a magic shop way on way back when. At the time I was unimpressed and spent my money on something else. (A different packet trick I'd imagine.) Years later, reading the Dingle book by Richard Kaufman, I read Derek's handling and found myself intrigued enough to get a set of the cards. Your video was the first time I've seen the original in several decades - Thanks for the memories!

Thanks to several posts about the trick on this forum I found my old cards, opened Derek Dingle's Complete Works, and started practicing. It was nice to discover that I still enjoy performing the effect.   
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There is a great story using cards like the Gypsy Curse that can be found in Christian Chelmen's book Capricornian Tales.

It's worth a look people..

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That was a fun presentation, Paul! You're poor uncle Mildred [smile]



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Great presentation, Paul.
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I've looked at the Dingle and Wagner routines, but will probably go with the Bauer routine.
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I think that whatever routine one chooses, the Gypsy Curse is a great trick. It's fun to perform, amusing, and amazing. It has certainly stood the test of time. And while the test of time is not always an accurate barometer, in this case I think it is when you consider the number of solid routines developed by some of the godfathers of our art and the fact that so many of us still practice and perform it.

I am performing the trick again because of posts on this forum leading me to dust off my set of cards and refamiliarize myself with the trick. I decided to stick with Dingle's routine for the same reason I continue to wear jeans until they fall apart: comfort, familiarity, and a sense of connection. Perhaps not the best of reasons, but at my age shopping for new jeans is an ordeal!

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Great presentation, Paul.


As far as I remember, that is the original presentation and handling.

Since I used that first, I never bothered to learn another handling.* Always liked the ending display where all the cards are 'apparently' all shown back and front at the same time. 

At the end of the day, the method is unimportant from the lay point of view, but at least now there are several handlings and presentations so you can find one that suits your style and personality. Whether you use handlings by Wagner, Dingle, Chelmen, Bauer, T.A Waters or P.Gordon isn't the 'effect' the same? It also suggests all these people liked the Kane handling and presentation enough to buy it in the first place, before experimenting with variants of their own.  

When people purchased the original Peter Kane effect they were paying for the unusual cards and Peter's presentation and handling which used a reduced number of gaffs and the fanned display ending.

If using normal looking playing cards then, it might look good but isn't it just another wild card routine? 

*Though elsewhere on the forum I mentioned an additional 'reset' bit for strolling magicians
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I've looked at the Dingle and Wagner routines, but will probably go with the Bauer routine.


Where is the Bauer routine?
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Where is the Bauer routine?


It's a marketed routine, like the original:
http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com/all24rbps/gypsy/index.htm
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Warren, like Paul says, they are all pretty closely related.  But there's a moment mid-routine that I like and the ending.  I'd love to see the Dingle routine, but skimming it, seemed like he repeated the same move a few times.  Maybe skimmed too fast, I should look at it again.   There's a couple of versions of Gypsy Curse Sudden Death on Youtube.   This link will show you the routine with no patter.  
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Tom, you are correct. Derek does indeed repeat the same set of moves three times during the routine, but the final phase is distinctive and the ending is the display of seven nines of club. The Bauer routine looks wonderful, and I do appreciate the Biddle grip used for the initial false count; it seems superior to the fingertip grip taught in the Dingle book. Thinking I'll try to incorporate it and see how it works... Would require an alteration or two, but it may worth the trade off. 

BTW, Kevin has a set of cards on the way to me. Thanks for the referral!

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I think  you'll like them Anthony.  Not super glossy and slippery like the magic shop variety.  Everyone's mileage may vary though.  I'll revisit the Dingle routine.
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I think  you'll like them Anthony.  Not super glossy and slippery like the magic shop variety.  Everyone's mileage may vary though.  I'll revisit the Dingle routine.


They arrived this afternoon and you were right: I love them. I wrote Kevin to let him know that the cards look and feel wonderful. They are slightly smaller than my current set, which is not a complaint; I actually like the size. A lot. Excellent workmanship - They look elegant.
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Who's Kevin? I'm looking for a set other than the laminated ones
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It's Kevin Kelly. Kevin was a good friend of Don England and used to travel with him to lectures. He's another Marlo student from the old days. My wife has a set that he made from European cards. 

Card Shark from Germany sells a factory made set that looks very good too. They're long and narrow and have an old world look.

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Does Kevin Kelley still make / sell these?
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Hi Dorian,

Here's what I have for Kevin's email: cardconjuror@yahoo.com

If that doesn't work, let me know. I have another way to get a hold of him.

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That's the correct address for Kevin, thanks Mike.
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My handling (Gold Dust Companion) was a fav of Peter Kane himself. I showed it to him some 25 years ago and published it soon after. It's on YouTube.
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Dorian,

I recently purchased a set from Kevin and the quality is incredible. He refused to allow me to make payment until the cards were prepared and ready to be mailed out. Integrity, quality, and service! 
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I purchased the set from card-shark a few years ago and the cards are (of course) Beautiful!

I have however experienced some stickiness to them but with moist fingers it isn't really a problem (fanning powder perhaps?).

The dvd shows Tonny Van Rhee's presentation with a gold coin (included) and he also teaches an alternative to the EC if you have trouble with it.
All in all a good package. He also includes an old looking letterpaper that you could write something on if you like (it has the adress side with stamps and postage printed but the other side is blank).

Anyone used them and have opinion on them?

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As far as I remember, that is the original presentation and handling.

Since I used that first, I never bothered to learn another handling.* Always liked the ending display where all the cards are 'apparently' all shown back and front at the same time. 

At the end of the day, the method is unimportant from the lay point of view, but at least now there are several handlings and presentations so you can find one that suits your style and personality. Whether you use handlings by Wagner, Dingle, Chelmen, Bauer, T.A Waters or P.Gordon isn't the 'effect' the same? It also suggests all these people liked the Kane handling and presentation enough to buy it in the first place, before experimenting with variants of their own.  

When people purchased the original Peter Kane effect they were paying for the unusual cards and Peter's presentation and handling which used a reduced number of gaffs and the fanned display ending.

If using normal looking playing cards then, it might look good but isn't it just another wild card routine? 

*Though elsewhere on the forum I mentioned an additional 'reset' bit for strolling magicians


I have the original complete with the instructions the handling is just about exact and so is much of the presentation.

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