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Harrisgagnon

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First, I want to say this trick is amazing and looks great. 


I am interested in getting it.


For those of you that have it I have a few questions:

Can the deck be shuffled at all before? 
Without having to say anything revealing, is it just a deck of cards that is carried around for the trick?

Thanks. I don't want to waste 75 dollars without making sure it is something I will use!
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   You're much better off spending the money to buy a good book - from which you learn A LOT of any-deck, impromptu routines.
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Did you actually find one of these available? They are sold out on Vanishing Inc.’s website. I’ve been wanting to purchase this.

There is an essentially gimmickless version of this on the Talk About Tricks DVD set. In that version, you could shuffle the deck, but I wouldn’t recommend allowing the spectator to do that.

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Is that the one he did on Fool Us?
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   You're much better off spending the money to buy a good book - from which you learn A LOT of any-deck, impromptu routines.


I think you are right! Thank you!
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Did you actually find one of these available? They are sold out on Vanishing Inc.’s website. I’ve been wanting to purchase this.

There is an essentially gimmickless version of this on the Talk About Tricks DVD set. In that version, you could shuffle the deck, but I wouldn’t recommend allowing the spectator to do that.

Rudy


Vanshing inc says in stock for me. 
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Is that the one he did on Fool Us?


yes
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I haven't bought Out of Sight but from what I can tell this is the same updated handling that he taught in his Unreal DVD set.  The deck can't be shuffled and it's not entirely examinable but seeing as this is made more for a parlor or formal setting that shouldn't be an issue.
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   You're much better off spending the money to buy a good book - from which you learn A LOT of any-deck, impromptu routines.


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I think you are right! Thank you!


Of course he's right!!

Question now is.....where to find such a tome. A three pipe problem at least, methinks.
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Harry Lorayne

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   What in the world is a "three pipe problem"?
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   What in the world is a "three pipe problem"?

Good question, the answer to which is "Elementary My Dear Harry."

I'm sure we have some detectives here, but if no one offers a clue or solution, I'll submit a detailed report.

And please, no Google, or similar. That's cheating.

Back in fifty minutes or so.
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What, son?! No detective, I, but I am known to be a bit irregular.

Oh well, better a three pipe problem than a seven-percent solution, eh?! [biggrin]

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    Oh, I know that it's a "bit" of a cliché. Never did know its background/origination - which is what I meant. Forgive me for the vast piece of ego, but I think that's why I'm considered a good writer/teacher - I would never use a phrase/word, anything, that I thought my readers wouldn't understand.
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    Oh, I know that it's a "bit" of a cliché. Never did know its background/origination - which is what I meant. Forgive me for the vast piece of ego, but I think that's why I'm considered a good writer/teacher - I would never use a phrase/word, anything, that I thought my readers wouldn't understand.


It wasn’t for you, Harry, not initially. It was to oil the wheels and get people searching for " a good book–from which you learn A LOT of any-deck, impromptu routines". 

 

But for me there’s a more serious side to this quote, or rather its source, which is The Red Headed League, from The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes.

Rather than derail this thread any further, I’ve shifted a bit of a coda to here… 

 

http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/dreaded-league-9751269?pid=1304337106#post1304337106 

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Is that the one he did on Fool Us?

Yes it is.
https://www.vanishingincmagic.com/magic/card-magic/out-of-sight/

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It's a good trick, but 75 dollars? 
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It's a good trick, but 75 dollars? 


That's up to you. I mean for the right version of out of this world I'd pay 75 dollars, and that wouldn't have to come with gimmicks or anything. I'd imagine if I didn't have the secret to the original, I might price it around there.

With Out of Sight, I'd say the gimmicks and the thinking definitely allow you to justify the price, whether it's worth the money is on you.

Even from a pure economics perspective, if you buy the trick and use it 75 times, it's a dollar a use. How many gimmicks or tricks have we bought and used 0 times? I have books full of effects, I might use 1-2 ideas, so the question is, are those 1-2 ideas worth the price of the book? No use telling me a book has 100,000 ideas all for the price of 100 dollars if I'm going to use 0 of those ideas. That's why I don't buy books on how to fly an airplane. I'm sure there are thousand page books which are very good deals on the subject, but the subject doesn't interest me.

I have definitely bought books for similar prices to Out of Sight and only gotten maybe 1 trick out of it so far. I've gotten stuff for free that are absolute gems. It all depends on you.
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Of course it's on me, i was questioning if i would spend that much for one trick. I've been contemplating spending 60 bucks on his Triad Coins.I personally think i would get more use out of that one.
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Of course it's on me, i was questioning if i would spend that much for one trick. I've been contemplating spending 60 bucks on his Triad Coins.I personally think i would get more use out of that one.


What's the most expensive thing you've bought in magic (feel free not to answer if you find the question rude etc...)?  Like anything, books, lecture notes, props etc...

For me it was a $135 book.  For me it was very good.  I enjoyed it a lot.  But since then I've found that once I start getting into those prices for 1 item I start to get very nervous.  I start to realise that no one book or trick or thing is going to make me that much of a better magician.  So when it gets to even smaller stuff, gimmicked cards, I don't even like to spend ANY money on those things.  Props that will last a while?  Sure, but not more than $50.  Books that I can refer to for a lifetime?  I don't like to spend more than $100 (which takes me a while to get together), but that's about my upper limit.  If someone tells me they have a super incredible mind-blowing book for $200 (I think the Jerx book went for more than that), sure I want it, sure I'm sure it'll be amazing and I'll love it, but nowadays I find I can live without the 'next big thing/trick/whatever'.

I've seen Out of Sight done live, taught to me by Joshua Jay himself.  I can't justify buying it.  I would use it poorly maybe 50 times before I messed up the thing, got it too dirty, realised that I wasn't presenting it right etc...  It's not me.  I LOVE the trick.  If someone performs it for me I'll watch it with rapt attention.  But for me it's not a trick I would spend more than $15 on.  That's just what I realised how much stuff is worth to me.
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Most i have ever spent was 35 for a flower box production. I have used it in many kids shows. i dont spend hardly any money on magic nowadays. Not quite sure what you're getting at, but each to their own, or whatever the expression is.
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Most i have ever spent was 35 for a flower box production. I have used it in many kids shows. i dont spend hardly any money on magic nowadays. Not quite sure what you're getting at, but each to their own, or whatever the expression is.


Well basically whatever is the most you've spent money on can give you an idea of what you're comfortable spending. For me the $135 was too far out of my comfort zone. I definitely won't be doing it again. Purchases with props have taught me that things like gaffed or gimmicked cards I don't like spending any money on. They are worth 0 to me.

A trick like Out of Sight, since I know how it works, I price the value to myself, and know how much I will use it, I feel would be a $15 trick. What I do is if the actual price is more I don't buy, if it's less I do.
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