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I've been trying to get a decent pressure fan and last night I practiced it until my right hand was tired. This morning I have sore muscles in my gripper/springer muscles:-P. I Need to find a magician's gym or something. Any tips on exercises to strengthen muscles needed for magic?

I'm only half joking here.

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I've been trying to get a decent pressure fan and last night I practiced it until my right hand was tired. This morning I have sore muscles in my gripper/springer muscles:-P. I Need to find a magician's gym or something. Any tips on exercises to strengthen muscles needed for magic?

I'm only half joking here.

Cheers,

Ken


Danny Orleans starts a lot of his childrens shows with 'magician exercises'!

For other ways of grip strengthening, your fingers don't actually have muscles, they have tendons that are activated by muscles in the forearm, so forearm exercises are usually pretty useful (deadlifts and wrist curls).  Otherwise you could probably buy grippers!  Although I think the best way to strengthen the muscle is to repeatedly do what you're strengthening it for (more fanning!).

Your post actually depresses me as I realise I've never practiced that much.  [tongue]
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For other ways of grip strengthening, your fingers don't actually have muscles, they have tendons that are activated by muscles in the forearm, so forearm exercises are usually pretty useful (deadlifts and wrist curls).  Otherwise you could probably buy grippers!  Although I think the best way to strengthen the muscle is to repeatedly do what you're strengthening it for (more fanning!).

Your post actually depresses me as I realise I've never practiced that much.  [tongue]


LOL. I wouldn't have to practice this much if I could actually DO the freaking pressure fan[smile]. I wasn't that worried about it until I watched Harry Lorayne's video of the HaLo Aces Version 2 on YouTube where he casually does a perfect pressure fan.

I wanna be like harry!;-). So I guess when I'm 90, I'll maybe be close, as I'm only a 15-month-old magician who didn't start until his late 40s. His VERY late 40s....he was 50 (ba-dum--BAH).

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I love the look of a good pressure fan, but never took the time to learn how to do it.
Where did you learn it, Ken?

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I love the look of a good pressure fan, but never took the time to learn how to do it.
Where did you learn it, Ken?

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Rudy - Multiple places teach the moves and they are all quite similar. Initially, I saw it described in "Mark Wilson's Complete Course In Magic." Then I found a terrific video from Dand & Dave on YouTube. And most recently, I've been referring to Jerry Cestkowski's "The Encyclopedia of Playing Card Flourishes."

Hope that helps.

Ken

Here's the Dan and Dave video: 

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Here's how I do it.
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Here's how I do it.


Wow! that is incredible. I gus I just need a crapload more practice.

Do you use fanning powder?

Ken
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I can do a decent pressure fan, because I forced myself to practice it for a couple weeks so that I could perform Asi Wind's Double Exposure. I bought the trick and was pissed that I was unable to actually perform it. And no I do not believe that you use fanning powder, as I believe that is the purpose of the fan, to be used with less "new" decks. If I perform Double Exposure with a new deck, the trick usually fails. I won't go into details, but yep, the stickier the better! (in my opinion).

But learning the pressure fan eventually allowed me to learn the thumb fan. It is like riding a bike. Once you get it, you will be able to do it over and over again.

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Wow! that is incredible. I gus I just need a crapload more practice.

Do you use fanning powder?

Ken

Thanks Ken. No, no powder.
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Thanks guys! the reason I asked about powder was that Jerry Cestkowski talks about it a lot. 

I actually learned to do a fair thumb fan, but realized it wasn't good enough when I tried to do HaLo Aces (2nd version). I guess it doesn't need to be absolutely, 100% perfect. But it has to be good enough that I can see enough card faces for the trick. So I'm just going to do a lot more practice on these.

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When presenting pressure fans as part of a stage manipulation routine, I recommend fanning powder. I will treat new decks.

I do not use it (fanning powder) in close up work.

Practice with a deck that is broken in to get the knack of it and to also prevent hand cramping. With regular practice, you will get stronger and it will become easier.

Even though I have been pressure fanning for decades and have huge hands, I rely on thumb fans with a new, crisp deck unless the routine demands the use of a pressure fan.

Depending upon the quality of cards used, there is a "sweet spot" time period in which the deck is most suitable for pressure fanning. If they start gumming up...next!

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Great fan, magicfish!
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Thanks. John. Even my thumb fan is still not reliable. I guess I need a LOT more practice at that.

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Thanks so much John Johnson. : )
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Ken, thumb fans are best with fresher decks. I like to break a deck in a bit prior performance. Partial and full deck riffles along with card springing help. Remember to flip the deck each time to keep things even. Take s moment every now and then to check how the cards fan. Depending upon the deck, once that initial newness has subsided the fanning is better. The cards DO make a difference. Some are great out of the box and others are best after a little breaking in. Even ones that fan well out of the box can be a little easier to handle after working them a bit.

I'm trying to be helpful and I certainly am not trying to belittle in any way. I don't know your experience level and we are focused on fanning so I'm sharing as best I can.
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magicfish-you are welcome. I watched your quick vid again. I see you do a pressure fan like I see most close up workers do it-though your's is very well done. With my stage manipulation background, I do more of a deeper grip in order to create a more full circle fan. I'll try and get motivated to make a quick vid so you can see of what I speak. Have patience with me!
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When i was a boy I was practicing fanning and spreading cards. One day I saw Paul Daniels take a deck of cards and with one bend, the entire deck was perfectly fanned. Shortly after I saw Derek Dingle do the same thing. I was so impressed that I became obsessed- I had to learn it and nothing would stop me. I knew no magicians and had no video or internet. I studied every book on cards I could get my hands on for years and years and took little bits from here and there, meanwhile, I was pressure fanning from the time i got home from school until bed time.
Everynight, for as long as it took.
Why the obsession?
Because it is just that cool.
Don't ever forget how you felt when you first saw something that impressed you.
If you loved it that much, other people will too.
I still love a well executed pressure fan today as much as I did 30+ years ago.
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I can do a decent pressure fan, because I forced myself to practice it for a couple weeks so that I could perform Asi Wind's Double Exposure. I bought the trick and was pissed that I was unable to actually perform it. And no I do not believe that you use fanning powder, as I believe that is the purpose of the fan, to be used with less "new" decks. If I perform Double Exposure with a new deck, the trick usually fails. I won't go into details, but yep, the stickier the better! (in my opinion).

But learning the pressure fan eventually allowed me to learn the thumb fan. It is like riding a bike. Once you get it, you will be able to do it over and over again.


That's the same reason I learnt the pressure fan after seeing the method behind double exposure (perfect trick for the last day of school as group selfie). Although I can do a decent pressure fan I can't do the way you need to for the trick
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No pain no gain. 

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I personally find pressure fan easier than thumb fan since I can still do a pressure fan even if the deck is already old.

I can only do a thumb fan if the cards are new.
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To help with the original question re: strengthening hands - There's a great video from Greg Irwin called "Finger Fitness." It's aimed at musicians and magicians. You can check it out on Amazon.

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I learnt the pressure fan since it works with decks in various states, whereas the thumb fan (that with practice could be done with a crappy condition deck, i dont really do a thumb fan at all) is best with a more slippery deck. Like AlexStrand I put time into the pressure fan to do Double Exposure by Asi Wind but now I only fan cards to make it look like I have a blank deck since im a lefty and my normal fan doesnt show the pips.
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