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Anyone still perform any of the packet tricks that flooded the magic market in the 70's thanks mostly, IMHO, to Phil Goldstein, Emerson & West and Nick Trost?

Some of my favorites that I still perform:

Color Monte - Jim Temple
Time Out - Phil Goldstein
Circus - Phil Goldstein
Haunted House - Larry Becker

and others.
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 Not what your asking but Richard Vollmer's ( I think -so long ago) poor man's monte from Apocalypse. I have used that from the very beginning and still do. Fantastic packet effect. 
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Though I wasn't around in the 70's, I never leave home without B'Wave and a little packet trick of my our devices. 
I probably perform B'Wave more often than anything else when asked to "do something."

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I perform Color Monte very frequently, and have been performing it since I got it, when it came out in 1968. People just love it, and weirdly, no one ever says they've seen it before.
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I perform Color Monte a lot as well. 

I perform it because it's a great effect and it gets a great reaction. 
I also perform it because supposedly it's the most sold packet trick ever. And it continues to be sold. And like Oscar F, I've never had anyone say "I've seen that before" unless they saw me perform it 
This keeps me grounded in the knowledge that a lot of the magic that I "old" still have never been seen by a lot of people. 
Because of that, I look to older effects that seem to have been relegated to the back of the "trick drawer." 


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By the way, one packet trick I had was called "Russian Roulette." 
You show 6 cards. A spectator picks one of them. 

The trick ends one of two ways in typical Brainwave fashion....

You show 5 guns and the spectator picked the only bullet card. 
You show 5 bullets and the spectator picked the only gun card.

Depending how you script it, you could have the spectator live or die either way. 

IF ANYONE HAS THIS AND DOESN'T WANT IT ANYMORE....please contact me. I've been looking for another set for years. 
I don't even know who came out with it. 
I can't find it referenced anywhere. 

I do know that the guns and bullets with hot stamped with metallic foil on the cards. 

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EVILDAN, This is the closest thing I found was this: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S2974. Alternatively, you could have the cards custom printed, but I understand that is less than ideal.  
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Darwin Ortiz' New Back Off from Scams and Fantasies is incredible. The construction of it is sublime.
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Geoff Williams' "I Hate David Copperfield Trick" is a winner although not released in the 70's.

I rewrote the premise to suit me as well as changed the sequence. It's one of those effects that when I perform it at a festival, I might have a couple of people standing away from me watching at a distance so they won't get called on. I invite them to come closer, they usually decline. Then I get into this trick and right after the first phase I have their attention. After the second phase, they move in closer. The last phase kills.

It's great visual magic.
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I was only a boy in the 70's. I'm no help here [smile]
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Darwin Ortiz' New Back Off from Scams and Fantasies is incredible. The construction of it is sublime.
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Omni Twist and Twist N Transpo from Racherbaumer's booklet Good Turns and Twists. Also Marrlo's Think Touch Turn from MINT but from the 60's not 70's.





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I was talking more about the commercial packet tricks that came out. packet tricks.jpg
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Skinner Monte does me very nicely.  And yes, since I was 12 (at going to Tannen's on Broadway and watching Harry, Frank Garcia and others), Color Monte has been a staple for me.
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Oh right, sorry Dan. Cool thread my friend.
When I was a young man I spent hundreds and hundreds of hours with Herb Morrissey at his shop in Toronto.
One of the packet tricks that Herb did best was Bob Farmer's Headhunter and what a magical effect it was. He must have done it for me 25 times over many weeks before I finally bought it.
I stopped doing it several years ago but it remains one of the coolest wild cards ever.
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I wasn't around in the 70's, but Twins by Bro John Hamman has been in my act ever since I read his book
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I had asked about this over on the green forums a month ago, but to no avail. I found a packet wallet over the holidays when I had flown back to the states to visit my Dad. The packet had b'wave (the blank cards I had drawn the shapes for Color Monte... Teenage me figured I could get two tricks out of one packet! haha). The other side had red-backed club cards. I believe it was the 5c, 6c, 7c, 8c, each with their corresponding value drawn with sharpie on the backs. For example, on the back of the 6 of clubs was largely written "6C". There was also a red/blue double backer with 8C written on the red back. I have no idea if this is a real packet or if it was something I created 15 or so years ago... but I have no idea why I would of had a red/blue double backer at my disposal to create my own trick, at the time.

Hope someone can figure this one out! Sorry if I am overexposing, but I wonder what this effect is.

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Colour Monte - very good trick BUT over the years when I have seen it performed (countless times), the magician has presented it at breakneck speed; in the assumption that the climax is all that is important.

Also, I have seen the Annemann alignment move presented so badly, the only person it truly fools is the magician presenting it. Suffice to say that it was originally devised as an envelope switch and, despite what some may believe, is not so convincing when deployed (via the usual method) with 3 cards.

Packet trick wise there are two stayers in my act. Namely, Alex Elmsley's 4 Card Trick and Peter Kane's Gypsy's Curse.

However, as a kid that grew up in the late 70's, I still have an extremely soft spot for the myriad of tricks released via Emerson & West (and others).

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Whoops, being new here just read this thread, had been looking at the Packet Trick Gallery. I uploaded a video clip of Numero Uno there which I still use for kids occasionally. And another clip of a "Circus" variant.. 

I still have my original Gypsy Curse cards around somewhere. Great trick. In my book "Small But Deadly" I suggest how to handle it in walk around performances (no tables) and reset it in those conditions.
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I perform Color Monte a lot as well. 

I perform it because it's a great effect and it gets a great reaction. 
I also perform it because supposedly it's the most sold packet trick ever. And it continues to be sold. And like Oscar F, I've never had anyone say "I've seen that before" unless they saw me perform it 
This keeps me grounded in the knowledge that a lot of the magic that I "old" still have never been seen by a lot of people. 
Because of that, I look to older effects that seem to have been relegated to the back of the "trick drawer." 




EvilDan, I thought you'd be more into the death card version that Paul Wilson put out at one time. It was in his Knock 'Em Dead lecture notes but I think eventually went on the market, The AS was the card that finally appeared. Could also be done with three tarot cards and the death card as the final card. It was called Gypsy Monte.

Update, it was on the market, a bad review here, not of the effect but the quality of the cards supplied: http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S3974

Found a video performance here on Youtube which should give you an idea, not Paul Wilson and not the greatest performance and this is with playing cards (which if I recall was how he wrote it up in his lecture notes). Paul didn't use the alignment move either, but rather double push offs and turnovers etc. when necessary.



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I absolutely LOVE John Bannon's TWISTED SISTERS.  It is killer.  Here are some reviews from http://www.mylovelyassistant.com:

The first from Jeff Stone:  www.mylovelyassistant.com/reviews/view/3815

The second is one I wrote:  www.mylovelyassistant.com/reviews/view/4467

Any other TS lovers out there?
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Twisted Sisters is about 20+ years too late for a seventies packet effect [smile]

For close up use you might prefer Bannon's later approach to the same effect, "Duplicity" because everything is examinable at the end! 

I'd like to get hold of Bob Farmer's "Headhunters" myself but it's been off the market awhile. Bob planned to release an updated version at one time but I don't think he ever did. I think that originally came out in the eighties.

Maybe we could start a thread for packet tricks of the eighties, packet tricks of the nineties, etc. lol
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Even though this was started with the packet tricks of the 70's in mind, I think we can leave it open ended as to dates.
Trying to put a packet trick into a decade is bound to have mistakes happen with people putting them in the wrong decade.
So, speak freely about any packet effect.

But if we find one that garners special attention, maybe a moderator can move it and give it its own thread.
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       Interesting...I'm not a packet-trick person - I don't want to carry it around, just as I won't carry even regular decks anymore, but way back in Trend Setters (1990) - re-written, updated, etc., along with Quantum Leaps, Dingle's Deceptions, Numero Uno, The Great Divide, etc. - in The Classic Collection (2010), Vol. 3 - quite a bargain - I taught a 3-card (packet?) effect called Melt-Through, which I did carry around and perform often back in the day.

      I sold many of them at lectures in the early 1980s. Once you make it up it can be used over and over again - until the cards wear out! Anyway, it's taught there, all credits given, etc. This thread just reminded me of it. You might enjoy it.
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This was put out by Aldo in 1999, although Peter had been selling it himself before that so it originated earlier. I once recall Peter performing this with jumbo cards in a Blackpool convention close up session. Whilst it could be done as a stand alone packet effect I preferred to remove the cards from the deck to do it. I suggested a 'shapeshifter' patter presentation for it when I referenced it in my packet trick book "Small But Deadly".  I sometimes used it for kids in the restaurant - but NOT with the shapeshifter patter. I'll upload a video clip of it below. Peter has put some great packet tricks out over the years. What makes this stand out from other stretching card effects is that all three cards stretch.

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Peter Duffie's Triple Stretch.
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       Interesting...I'm not a packet-trick person - I don't want to carry it around, just as I won't carry even regular decks anymore, but way back in Trend Setters (1990) - re-written, updated, etc., along with Quantum Leaps, Dingle's Deceptions, Numero Uno, The Great Divide, etc. - in The Classic Collection (2010), Vol. 3 - quite a bargain - I taught a 3-card (packet?) effect called Melt-Through, which I did carry around and perform often back in the day.

      I sold many of them at lectures in the early 1980s. Once you make it up it can be used over and over again - until the cards wear out! Anyway, it's taught there, all credits given, etc. This thread just reminded me of it. You might enjoy it.

And don't forget Buckle Down from Quantum Leaps. I used to have fun with it.
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   You're right, I did sorta' forget about that. I used to perform it a lot back in the day, but it's been decades.
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This is my handling of my old friend Walt Maddison's trick "walt on Walton" which appeared in my book "Small But Deadly".

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Peter Duffie's "point Blank Assembly.
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Aldo Colombini's "Shennanigans" based on ronnay's Sympathetic Cards.
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Water to Wine

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Peter Duffie's Pronto Printo
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Jim Vetter and Phil Goldstein's Numero Uno released in the seventies through Hank Lee's Magic Factory.



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Ton Onasaka's "Backing".



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Paul, is this YOU performing all of these?
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Paul Hallas's "ESPecially Wild" demmed by Meir Yedid.


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That last one was pretty good. I bet it's even better when Paul Hallas performs it. 
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Paul, is this YOU performing all of these?


LOL. Yes, apart from "ESPecially Wild" where I posted a clip of Meir Yedid performing it [smile]

The English accent should have given it away. [smile]


ESPecially Wild is a little different at the end when I do it, I don't do the through the fist flourish.
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That is what gave it away. Funny how you don't perform your own material. 
Ah, I can't blame you. There's way better stuff out there. :-)
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That is what gave it away. Funny how you don't perform your own material. 
Ah, I can't blame you. There's way better stuff out there. :-)


[smile] Didn't want to take over the thread with all my own stuff (Water to Wine is one of mine though) .

But there are so many great packet tricks out there many seem unaware of when they list their favorites elsewhere, makes me think they haven't seen too many packet tricks [smile]


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I know what you mean. 
Ask people to list their favorites and you get the same few cropping up all the time. 
Lost are some real classics like "Symbol Simon," "Circus," "Haunted House," and a host of others. 
That's why I started the packet trick gallery. I have a bunch more to add. But it'll be a nice resource once all are in. 
And it still won't be complete. 
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Nick Trost's Razzle Dazzle.





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Part of "The Handy Trick Collection" (Paul Hallas)



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Ryan Matney's "The Conqueror Worm" (actually this was never marketed but one place it can be found is his book "Card Delusions").



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Bruce Cervon's "Dirty Deal" based on Alex Elmsley's "Dazzle".  Very popular packet effect in the seventies.

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A cute one for restaurant workers I came up with, worth having in your pocket for the family groups - "Hare Raising Hats" This one only dates back to 2012.[smile]

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A cute one for restaurant workers I came up with, worth having in your pocket for the family groups - "Hare Raising Hats" This one only dates back to 2012.[smile]



That is very cute, Paul! I can see myself doing this for the kids.

Maybe a funny way to justify the 4th top hat disappearing is that those little bunnies playfully took it and it ended up being on one of their heads [smile]

Thanks for sharing this.

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The playing card version of this, called "Clone Zone' appears fully detailed in the Peter Duffie section of my packet trick book "Small But Deadly. I bought the rights to it from Peter (who had originally marketed the effect) with the intention of eventually coming out with an animal card version I thought would be funnier. That version appears below and was retitled to "Cloned" to differentiate the two versions. I also came up with a full deck version "Killer Clone Zone" which appeared in my book "Magic From The Overground" .





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 Not what your asking but Richard Vollmer's ( I think -so long ago) poor man's monte from Apocalypse. I have used that from the very beginning and still do. Fantastic packet effect. 


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