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Description: You tell your plucky volunteer that the card they merely thought of is now invisible. Despite their (perhaps well placed) skepticism you confidently remove their 'invisible card' from the deck and slide it between two face up jokers. In a flash a REAL blank card appears in between the jokers. (It's like their 'blank' mind a few moments ago)!

Then, while in the SPECTATORS HANDS, the blank card PRINTS itself, and is now the card they just THOUGHT OF! AND IT'S EXAMINABLE! (Oh, and you are reset, and left with a regular deck!)

WHAT'S INSIDE: Comes with special Bicycle Gaff Cards and DVD

SKILL LEVEL: John Bannon's PAINT IT BLANK is one of the most powerful (and EASY) tricks you could imagine. Super easy to do - requires no sleight of hand!

WHAT IS IT NOT? No forces, restrictions, equivoque, preshow - they literally just think of any card. no reset and no table required - No stacks - No forces - No sleights - No gaff deck - No 'off by one' - no rough and smooth


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I can't believe anyone in magic more than a couple of weeks is fooled by this. Supposedly, it fools laymen. OK, I'm not smart enough to know whether it does or not.

Anyway, that's not my problem. All of the vault type stuff is totally disingenuous from by perspective. I think it's only right to let potential purchasers know that these things are retreads and let them make their own value judgement. In reality, you will be paying 20 bucks for a couple of common gimmicked cards. Worth it? Not my call, but at least a purchaser is entitled to sufficient information to make a valid decision.

(Pardon me, but I'm still irritated to find out the Paul Harris Bunny Bill, was one of the Easter Eggs on his AOA set. Nothing added or taken away.)

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This trick is also in MENTALISSIMO (the book) by John Bannon. The book costs $55 and won't come with any gaffs



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I can't believe anyone in magic more than a couple of weeks is fooled by this. Supposedly, it fools laymen. OK, I'm not smart enough to know whether it does or not.


Well, maybe not a couple of weeks, but I get your point.

The reveal that John uses on the trailer is the weakest of the two described in the book, and on the DVD, or so I am guessing from Dave's review. John credits the other handling to Dave Solomon, and it is superior, though not as simple. 

Most people are unaware of the existence of the gaff. Especially as constructed. (Get my drift, right? Trying to be discrete.) I have performed the trick a couple of handfuls of times and so far no one has questioned the method. Give it a shot. You might be surprised. Hope you are!

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This trick is also in MENTALISSIMO (the book) by John Bannon. The book costs $55 and won't come with any gaffs


Agreed, but I think this is pertinent information when making a purchasing decision. To those that already own Mentalissimo, they are paying $25 for a couple of gaffed cards and expanded, I assume, instructions.

Worth it? Maybe, but it is important information when making a buying decision. There are 29 other items in the book. Maybe some will consider that the way to go. Even the ads for the book refer to them as "common gaffs".

By the way, I think you do an excellent job with the video reviews and listen to most of them. I've long had an issue with the value element getting the short shrift in reviews.

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I'd be bummed if I had bought the DVD since I have Mentalissimo and the needed card(s), which are easily obtainable. Buy the book if you want this item. The name of the item in the book is different from that on the DVD. In the book it's called "Blank Thought Remix."

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Agreed, but I think this is pertinent information when making a purchasing decision. To those that already own Mentalissimo, they are paying $25 for a couple of gaffed cards and expanded, I assume, instructions.

Worth it? Maybe, but it is important information when making a buying decision. There are 29 other items in the book. Maybe some will consider that the way to go. Even the ads for the book refer to them as "common gaffs".


This practice has become common. Any number of currently available downloads and single-trick DVDs are of "buried in print" tricks. Apparently a great many of today's consumers prefer downloads and DVDs to books, and many who buy books don't read them. This creates a niche market vacuum that is quickly filled. Personally I do not care for it, but that's me. 

I doubt that the DVD gets into much more detail than the book. Blank Thought Remix is one of a series of three tricks using similar methodology. John even recommends combining two of them into a routine. Buyers of the book get a far better bargain, but not everyone is willing to "read the good stuff." (With apologies to Harry.)

Caveat emptor?

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Here's the math: Mentalissimo $55; Paint it Blank $20. So if you were planning on getting "Paint it Blank" the book ends up costing you $35 if you purchase it instead. That's about 35% off.

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I had recently bought Mentallissimo. I hadn't worked my way through it to the point of being familiar enough with the changed name.

A bonus of being here gives me the ability to open the book and find the effect that I already have 😉

I like downloads and have bought (too) many of them, but books IMHO are always the best bargain.

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If every item in Mentalissimo was a $10 download, the material would cost $210. On the other hand, if the material were distributed on two 10 trick DVDs at $30 each, the price would be similar to that of the book at $55.

But, as Anthony said, "Caveat emptor." 

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Can't disagree with that Mike...

Some books have much more than 21 effects in them, so would be a harder sell.

I had a hiatus from magic while chasing technology for work. I kept my hand in just a bit, kept up with some folks, lost track of some.

When I returned, YouTube had exploded and a happy circumstance of that is some of the things from 'back in the day' buried in books or packet tricks with 4 pages of 6 point text I can now find a demo. Every now and then some move is easier seen than described no matter how good the author is at it.

Well ok, so it's me.. I've always said for technology to go to a big bookstore (are there still some in business?), and pull all the books off the shelf about the subject you want to learn, page through them and find out which author writes the way you understand best... and that's the guy.

With magic books, unless you have a very well-stocked local Brick and Mortar place, that's not possible, so it's a crap shoot. The advanced books, you either can follow the instructions or not because there's not going to be a selection. For me, that's where the demos come in handy.

Paul Gordon has been posting a metric butt-load of demo videos on FB. Those are great because they're examples from his books, and even though I find his work easy to read, it's fun to watch the guy that invented it also perform it.

Caveat emptor indeed!

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I hear you, Dave. Tech certainly has its place. I enjoy seeing effects performed by their creators, but prefer learning from written instructions. Sometimes subtleties and matters of timing are more obvious on video and that helps me better master a trick or routine. Cameron Francis usually provides video performance links along with his ebooks and these are an enjoyable way to fully understand an effect from the creator's POV. 

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I can understand all the griping about this being in his book and now it's on DVD as a trick by itself. They should let us know it's in the book. Etc.

I disagree. This is a limited market and today's flavor of the month lasts a few days before it's taken over by the next flavor of the month. It's about staying alive in a competitive market

For us, it's about buying the next big thing and keeping up with the Jones'. We've all heard the philosophy about taking a few tricks and learning them well. We all have more tricks in more books than we'll ever perform and yet we're still ready to buy the next hot item be it a book or a trick.

Bottom line: know what you're buying and know what you've got. Bought a book? Read it. Know what's in it. If you read and worked through all the effects on Mentalissimo, this wouldn't be an issue. But face it, you didn't. Like me, you probably picked and read a few things that interested you and then put it on your shelf because the other book you bought just arrived in today's mail.

There's one born every minute. You just have to decide which side of the ticket booth you're standing in
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I can't believe anyone in magic more than a couple of weeks is fooled by this.


As magicians we fall into the trap of thinking other magicians know what we know or things won't fool because they are simple.  I'm pretty sure if you've not actually come across the move elsewhere it would fool you. The 'move' application has not  been out there too long (maybe 18 years?).

It certainly gets lay people as I've been using the methodology for years and getting gasps.
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I can dig it, Evil One.

We’ve discussed this on the forum in the past, but the simple fact is that magic books are text books or technical manuals. Most of them are no fun to sit and read from cover to cover. They are written for study and working through with cards or coins of whatever in hand. This makes it difficult to properly absorb the magic books we but. Difficult, but not impossible, even for a fairly unorganized fellow.

There are a handful of magic book authors whose work I enjoy reading through from cover to cover. Bannon is one of them. In my opinion he has developed into one of the best current writers of magic books. Other names that come to mind are Richard Kaufman, Lance Pierce, and Steven Minch. There are also a couple of lousy writers of magic books. No further comment from me on those.

Aside: For the record, Harry Lorayne deserves his own category. He founded the movement that brought us well-written, professionally produced magic books, filled with practical, workable material, and written in an accessible, conversational style. The others stand on his shoulders.    

I try to read through – skim, speed read – every magic book I buy. I make notes on Post-Its and affix them on the pages I want to return to later. Once each month I select a book from my shelf and spend time with it, reviewing noted pages, reading through descriptions, and making new notes. I invariably discover wonderful tricks and am always amazed that they have been waiting there for me the entire time.

Some of the tricks weren’t for me at the time I first read them. I have grown as a magician and matured as a human, so my tastes and interests have shifted. Others I simply missed. Returning to the mines makes sense.

As to the process of cutting tricks from books and repackaging them as downloads or single-trick DVDs with required gaffs? That’s business, and while I do not object, I do not like it since to me it smacks of deception. (I am not arguing that it is deception, only that to me it treads close.) Some prefer single trick downloads and DVDs. Fine. The market fills the need. As I wrote above, caveat emptor.

When I come across a trick being advertised as the latest, greatest chick magnet and audience pleaser in the history of history, I immediately wonder if it’s really new, or if it is recycled or pulled from print somewhere. If it is, and I know it, I note the original source and add a comment to the YouTube vid or advert. My way of helping my fellow magi. And so far, none of the manufacturers have had a problem with the practice. In several cases they have annotated my comments with positive, supporting comments of their own. I have had this experience with Murphy’s Magic, Penguin Magic, and Big Blind Media.

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If it’s a trick from a book why not hide/disguise the fact? Well, to hide/disguise the fact that it’s in a book and today’s mission is to sell the latest flannel.

As far as I’m concerned it’s underhand and from comments here doesn’t do Bannon any favours. I agree. It doesn’t.

But that’s me. Now, moving sideways a bit, methinks Dan is being more than a tad harsh here. "There's one born every minute. You just have to decide which side of the ticket booth you're standing in".

There is indeed one born every minute, and nobody wants to be suckered. But that’s the thing. If you don’t recognise a come-on until you’ve bought the ticket, how are you supposed to feel? Added to which, Bannon has a reputation and that reputation is being to used to sell this effort to magicians. It’s also being tarnished in the process.

Dan also refers to a limited market. Agreed, but Bannon’s established customer base in that limited market is being shaken by this carry on.

Anyway, once again, that’s me.

Now, can anybody tell me where I can see a straightforward demonstration/ performance of this trick? The link here gave me a headache before it even began. Flashing lights and computer gimmicks may be today’s thing, but they lost one potential customer before they started.

Over on Vanishing Inc there’s a bit more of a look at the trick. A bit. Still the migraine lights, though not as long. The camera work is all over the place. In and out, back and forth, close-ups, long shots, particularly at what I can only presume are critical moments. There’s half a tree blocking the view for what seems an eternity. Arty? Spare me.

Horses for courses and for me it’s out of order. But what do I know. I’m one the few (as far as I now) dissenting voices when it comes to "Destination Zero". And picking up Anthony’s point, the fact that I have worked through all the material has not prepared me to such an extent that I would instantly recognise anything (almost) from the book. I might well have a look through my Bannon stuff, but then I might not bother. One thing I wouldn’t do is buy anything on the basis of video adverts such as these.

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Blathermist, good comments. Well said.

Here's a well-done demo. It's in French, but don't let that bother you!

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Perhaps the value of the ongoing discussion in this thread is to remind us buyers that downloads may be things we already own, either in written form or on a DVD. I need a searchable PDF on my phone that shows everything I own. Then I wouldn't make the mistake of buying an item I already own. This happened to me at a lecture at 4F a while back. The lecturer gave a super deal on DVDs. I had to search my brain to recall whether or not I already owned the DVD. Unfortunately my memory failed and now I own two copies. My bad!

At least when I'm sitting at my computer, surrounded by my books and DVDs and having access to all my downloaded stuff, I can carefully decide what to purchase.

As has been quoted often here - caveat emptor. 

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Blathermist, good comments. Well said.

Here's a well-done demo. It's in French, but don't let that bother you!

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Thanks Anthony. From my schooldays I recognised a few words! In the end I turned the sound off.
I can't see what all the fuss is about with this effort, but this was at least a presentable demo.

Re: caveat emptor. Agree to a certain extent, but as I already noted, if every time a performer/writer produces something "New" we have to scurry back to the shelves just in case it's something we've missed or forgotten or overlooked.....well, no thanks. It's a bit much.
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