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How do you explain it? Is it explainable? I'd like to know what you think about this.

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The human brain is a prime example of a "miracle" in every sense of the word...regardless of the capabilities an individual expresses through it.
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Amazing, but can he do a good Elmsley count? 😉

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Define paranormal. Also bear in mind that you are seeing only a single side presented. In the absence of explanations and evidence to support them, it is folly to immediately make the leap to paranormal. 

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Ok, I define Paranormal as that which is beyond the realm of normal scientific understanding like remote viewing, PK and such as that.

I don't believe that the young man on the video is doing something "natural". For example, let's say you want to do a table faro, so you practice and practice and you finally nail it down. But the guy in the video didn't practice at all.

He was born with this ability. He didn't practice it.

Big difference.

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Okay. I have a problem with the term "normal scientific understanding." Science advances based on evidence. One key factor to building evidence is falsifiability. The paranormal, by definition, cannot be tested and therefore fails to meet the standard of falsifiability. Put another way, unless we can test something, we cannot prove its existence.

If we make a claim that, say, remote viewing, is real, we establish a burden of proof. Barring proof we cannot support our claim. But let's say we were able to prove the existence of remote viewing through the rigors of scientific testing, once that happened remote viewing would no longer be paranormal; it would be normal. To this point no claims of paranormal - by your definition - phenomena have met their burdens of proof.

The guy in the video - and I must admit that I did not watch the entire clip - appeared to me to present as a classic case of savantism, a well-known and explicable phenomenon.

Should some sort of sense currently consider paranormal be tested and proven no one would be more tickled than I. In the meantime I remain ever skeptical.

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The paranormal, by definition, cannot be tested and therefore fails to meet the standard of falsifiability. Put another way, unless we can test something, we cannot prove its existence.



I am all in for testing him. He might even win Randi's big check for One million $$.

My question is where does this unbelievable recall of buildings come from? It was not learned,studied or practiced at all yet, in detail he can draw it onto paper. He started this at six years old.

The Laws of Nature tells me it's impossible to do what he does. I watched a video today and there is only about 100 savants who are "gifted" with the manifestations that Steven does with different kinds of ability.

I only used the word "paranormal" because it's easy to understand.

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Rick what do you consider the Laws of Nature? I see nothing that is against the laws of physics or biology. I cant recall who said it but something along the lines of “we know more about the cosmos than we do the human brain.”

I have no qualms rationalising this as his brain is wired/connected differently that most of us. Nothing paranormal. I can’t explain it but I wouldn’t call it paranormal as in the influence of of something out side that of nature. 100% nature at its most extraordinary for mine.
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Rick what do you consider the Laws of Nature? I see nothing that is against the laws of physics or biology. I cant recall who said it but something along the lines of “we know more about the cosmos than we do the human brain.”

I have no qualms rationalising this as his brain is wired/connected differently that most of us. Nothing paranormal. I can’t explain it but I wouldn’t call it paranormal as in the influence of of something out side that of nature. 100% nature at its most extraordinary for mine.


Agree. Coincidentaly here's an article that popped up on my feed that is both interesting and relevant.

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Fascinating Anthony, another book to add to the long list. Reminds me of the books of Norman Doige.
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I am all in for testing him. He might even win Randi's big check for One million $$.

 

Unlikely, seeing as that prize no longer exists on the table, if I recall correctly. Heh, if it ever really did at all. Even if a "real" psychic demonstrated significant ability, they'd still make an excuse for why they didn't qualify. People don't like losing million dollar deals, or something, I guess, lol. 

 

...I will, tentatively, say this though: I do believe in the paranormal. "Para-", a Greek prefix to mean "alongside of", combined with the word "Normal" simply means "alongside normal/kind of normal". I was a pretty hardcore skeptic. I still am I suppose, just not as much as I used to be, because I saw a ghost once, and it wigged me out for a while lol. Turns out though, ghosts can be scientifically measured and detected; even recorded via EVP/Electronic Voice Phenomena. I also believe in UFOs, not just because I've seen a fleet of them battling in the sky right over my house in the middle of winter, but simply because the Universe is so vastly, ridiculously, mindboggling huge, that it would be the absolute HEIGHT of arrogance to assume we little ol' humans are the ONLY ones in a probably INFINITE Universe lol. If the Universe really is Infinite.....perhaps there's an infinite amount of possibilities as well. [wink]

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As the great Carl Sagan once said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." For example,  the existence of UFO (from another world) - there's not one shred of real evidence i.e. a body, a craft, an object whose existence cannot be explained etc. I'm still waiting. I would LOVE to see proof of life on other planets. It seems likely that it exists. However, there's no real evidence of it so far.

Snopes validates the ability of the artist to draw incredibly detailed pictures of buildings etc. That's not remote viewing. It's like "Rainman." It's cool that he can tell you how many poker chips fell on the floor. But he's not telling you what's inside of a locked room without going in.

Remote viewing can be validated scientifically. Just show that you can determine what's inside a closed room, under scientific conditions i.e. no chance the person has gotten into the room etc.

A person who passes this test a few times would seem to be the real deal. Where are these people? I don't see any "real" scientists validating the paranormal. Running around with a meter that measures some electrical event and ascribing it to a ghost? Really!

I see no reason to believe in ghosts, UFOs, Atlantis, telekinesis, astrology, the Loch Ness monster et al.

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John, the prefix para has several meanings. In the context of paranormal it means abnormal or beyond normal. I would also recommend that you look into the Fermi paradox for insight into your question about alien lifeforms. And while I have no doubt in your claim that you have seen strange, weird, wig-raising things, it is not prudent to immediately jump to a paranormal explanation. In the medical field there's a saying, "If you hear hoof beats, think horses, not zebras." This is a paraphrasing (see what I did there?!) of Occam's razor. The simplest of two answers is usually correct.

Also, claims made against Randi's $1M prize were rigorously tested, but test conditions and what constituted a successful demonstration were agreed upon in advance by all parties.    

I agree with everything Mike wrote above. (And thanks for using what has become known in some circles as Sagan's razor.)  I would love to hear of evidence supporting claims of alien life, remote viewing, or telekinesis. The world would instantly change in so many ways! So far, though, no claims have been validated. None. Not one. That does not mean they won't be in the future. But until that time the correct default position is that of healthy skepticism and not tentative belief. 

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No UFOs & Spacemen? Don't you guys watch the History Channel?

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Once you've seen the things I have, you skip over that thin little line between Healthy Skepticism and Tentative Belief. The couple experiences I've had were enough to make me go from "I sincerely doubt they exist." to "Huh...maybe they do exist." Most would probably have gone straight to, "Holy crap; they exist!!!", but I've always been one to avoid absolutes and extremes. It's illogical to say that they do or do not exist either way in my opinion, at least at this point in history. As a scientist, one should always be able to volunteer the possibility they might have been wrong upon the discovery of new data. I believe science can explain everything, even the seemingly supernatural; we just haven't learned every science there is to learn yet. 

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The couple experiences I've had were enough to make me go from "I sincerely doubt they exist." to "Huh...maybe they do exist." Most would probably have gone straight to, "Holy crap; they exist!!!", 


I too, have had, for the lack of a better term, "mystical" experiences that I cannot explain either.

And I understand the skeptic's POV and I often wonder if a skeptic had the same experiences I did what would he/she think about it? If you want to know what I experienced shoot me a PM and I'll get back to you. These things are very difficult to talk about without someone calling you a "nut-job".

Some of this is cultural in society, like shows like the X-Files was on TV there were a lot of people who believed that they were being abducted by aliens, at least they were on talk shows claiming to have been abducted or on late night radio shows like Art Bell. Today, the only place where you see shows about UFOs & aliens is the History channel. For me, anyway, where are all of these people who were claiming to be abducted by aliens?

So it goes..

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And I understand the skeptic's POV and I often wonder if a skeptic had the same experiences I did what would he/she think about it? 

 

First they'd deny it. Then they'd make excruciatingly careful observations and begin formulating the most probable solution. They'd exhaust themselves of all the most likely possibilities, and like any good Sherlock Holmes would arrive at the inescapable conclusion that once they've eliminated the impossible, then whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth. 

 

I know, because I used to be one of those skeptics. 

 

One cold winter night, back in Alaska, my brother-in-law came running into the house, telling me to come outside, "You have to see this!" he said. I got up and started getting my gear on to run outside into the subzero temperatures. It was a strange sight before me already; my sister, my two nieces, my nephew and my brother-in-law, who was pointing at the sky, were all standing together in the middle of the yard. 

 

I was kind of angry; it was past midnight and I was getting ready for bed; told him this had better be good! He grabbed my shoulders to position me in the right spot, then craned my head STRAIGHT upwards like the others were, which HURT, but then I saw what they were all staring at: A star moving across the sky. I just about tackled him into the snow and started wailing on him lmao. I told him it was just a friggin' satellite and the kids need to be in bed. "Just wait! Watch!" he said, "There's another one!" Soon, with my neck aching from being craned up to the sky, I saw what he was talking about; the "star" was chasing another little star. 

 

"Big whoop; TWO satellites!" I said sarcastically, but I kept watching because I had to admit it was a little unusual to see two satellites so close together, and they weren't going as fast as they usually do either. After watching more, it dawned on me that it wasn't that they weren't moving fast....they were just a lot further away than any satellites orbiting the earth.

Then shit started getting weird. The little star in front of the other one TURNED. Sharply, and without slowing down. The other one followed suit, seemingly trying to chase it down. This game of sporatic cat and mouse continued between the two of them until a couple more little stars seemed to pop up out of nowhere. It wasn't that they came in from anywhere though; it was as if they suddenly came into view as if they were far away, heading towards the Earth. There were four of them now; two in a chase, and two standing by, moving, but not moving much. It was as if they were waiting for something.

Then it happened. A GIANT, super bright star popped up out of nowehere; it was so bright we almost lost the other little dots of light that were chasing each other. "Holy shit..." I exclaimed to nobody in particular. My brother in law enthusiatically agreed. Suddenly, HUNDREDS of little bright dots started SHOOTING out of the giant bright quasar star looking thing, in ALL directions. They quickly descended upon the two stars that were chasing each other like a swarm of bees. Then, just as fast as they arrived, all the little moving frenzied dots in the sky started disappearing one by one until it was just the giant mother star left. Then it just disappeared, and there was nothing left in the sky to look at. 

 

We all stood there in stunned silence before heading back inside before we all caught hypothermia. 

 

PS: I tried everything I could to explain it. Looked into any new weapon projects; LOTS of military in Alaska, so it wouldn't surprise me. I couldn't find anything. As I reflected though, the idea of what we saw being some new secret military weapon just didn't sound plausible. I've never seen or heard of anything on earth that can move the way those things did. So, I reluctantly decided to start researching UFO sightings. Lot of junk; blurry black and white video, blurry photos, and others that were clearly faked for a prank of some kind. But then I found a video of a "UFO Fleet Sighting", and what was on that video, was EXACTLY what we saw, in every way. It creeped me out. I eventually decided to accept the extreme likelyhood that an extraterrestrial battle occurred right over my house. But I swear to you, it was a LONG journey before I arrived at the conclusion that what we saw was not of this Earth. 

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Another possible UFO encounter I had was when I was working as a wildland firefighter. My team and I were heading back at the end of a long day, and could hear one of the choppers flying overhead, getting closer. As it got closer we started looking for it, but couldn't seem to find it. It was weird; we were in a relatively open area where trees shouldn't be blocking the view. We kept marching though. The helicopter sound got louder and closer. "HOLD!" shouted the squad leader at the front of the line. "Duck and cover!" We all dropped to our knees and covered the backs of our necks with our hands, making sure our helmets were secure. We were all expecting to get hit with a shit ton of fire retardant; Red Goop from above lol. Sometimes the helitac crews aren't aware of our presence on the ground, so we have to watch out for that. Dust and shit was flying everywhere, but we didn't feel the retardant, nor hear the crash of it as it slammed into the trees. The sound got louder and louder; soon it felt like it was RIGHT over top of us, We looked all over for the chopper but couldn't see it; couldn't get a good angle all crouched down in a semi fetal position. 

Then it just STOPPED, and everything was calm....it didn't fly away; the sound didn't get quiter, the windstorm didn't slowly get less and less as it left. It just STOPPED like nothing was ever there at all. We were all pretty spooked. To this day I'm still not sure what it was, but after what happened a couple winters back, the possibility of UFO did cross my mind.

 

....Seen a lot of weird things as a wildland firefighter. I think that's just a side effect when you spend sixteen hours a day in locations almost untouched by man. ....I don't even wanna say the strangest thing I've seen before because it sounds like something you'd read in the Weekly World News Tabloid lmao. XD

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I was driving from Reno to Stockton and I was up in the mountains and I was on I-80. It was also night time. My cell phone wouldn't work up in the mountains. I had a lot of cash on me because I took one of my real estate commissions check with me. I was working as a Realtor in Stockton at the time, and I double-ended on one of my listings that sold and I took a little over $7.000 to Reno with me.

I did the whole thing, I went to The Moonlight Bunny Ranch and after that I went back to the 21 table at Harrah's in Reno and after the free  booze wore off I drove home getting on I-80.

So, I am driving along and I hear what's like a big "boom" under the car and the car starts to slow down on it's own. I went off the off-ramp on Eagle Lakes Rd near Cisco Grove. I get out of the car, I think I have dropped my transmission. Cell wont work in the mountains. I try to flag cars down but they wont stop.

After about an hour a car comes off the off-ramp, these guys looked like they wanted to beat me up or rob me, then they drove off going east, well, I wasn't going to sit here and let them get me, so I went walking west towards the freeway & greenbelt.

So I start walking and I notice that things got quiet and then I notice that things got dark, so i start walking somemore and I see a house in the distance but there is a chain link fence and I didn't want to jump it and have them think I was a robber, so I kept walking and walking and then It hit me...I WASN'T GETTING ANY CLOSER TO THE HOUSE!

So I stop walking, and I turned around and I was right back AT THE CAR?! But I had been walking for 30+minutes. There was no fenceline on the road and no House in the distance either I could now here the noise from the freeway and everything was lit up!!!

I don't know where I was those 30+ minutes, I was somewhere other than Eagles Lake Rd, maybe a vortex or maybe it's a case of missing time..I don't know what. A tow-truck did stop for me though and got a ride back home.

This happened 20 + years ago.

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I was driving from Reno to Stockton and I was up in the mountains and I was on I-80. It was also night time. My cell phone wouldn't work up in the mountains. I had a lot of cash on me because I took one of my real estate commissions check with me. I was working as a Realtor in Stockton at the time, and I double-ended on one of my listings that sold and I took a little over $7.000 to Reno with me.

I did the whole thing, I went to The Moonlight Bunny Ranch and after that I went back to the 21 table at Harrah's in Reno and after the free  booze wore off I drove home getting on I-80.

So, I am driving along and I hear what's like a big "boom" under the car and the car starts to slow down on it's own. I went off the off-ramp on Eagle Lakes Rd near Cisco Grove. I get out of the car, I think I have dropped my transmission. Cell wont work in the mountains. I try to flag cars down but they wont stop.

After about an hour a car comes off the off-ramp, these guys looked like they wanted to beat me up or rob me, then they drove off going east, well, I wasn't going to sit here and let them get me, so I went walking west towards the freeway & greenbelt.

So I start walking and I notice that things got quiet and then I notice that things got dark, so i start walking somemore and I see a house in the distance but there is a chain link fence and I didn't want to jump it and have them think I was a robber, so I kept walking and walking and then It hit me...I WASN'T GETTING ANY CLOSER TO THE HOUSE!

So I stop walking, and I turned around and I was right back AT THE CAR?! But I had been walking for 30+minutes. There was no fenceline on the road and no House in the distance either I could now here the noise from the freeway and everything was lit up!!!

I don't know where I was those 30+ minutes, I was somewhere other than Eagles Lake Rd, maybe a vortex or maybe it's a case of missing time..I don't know what. A tow-truck did stop for me though and got a ride back home.

This happened 20 + years ago.

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Holy crap; that reminds me of the time I was trying to get out of Deadwood, South Dakota. Small western themed town in the middle of the Black Hills. LOTS of bars; they really seemed to like their liquor lol. Anyhoo, I was just passing through on my way to Nebraska. On the way out of town I saw the sign "Now Leaving Deadwood" after winding through the forests and canyons; I got really dizzy. Finally reached a stretch that went downhill; Deadwood must be situated at a relatively high elevation. There was a little stream to the left of the road driving out, and as I looked at it, I could swear that the water was moving BACKWARDS....uphill; not downhill like gravity should make it do. It tripped me out. I kept driving, expecting to find the highway. Then I saw a sign up ahead: "Welcome! Now Entering Deadwood". My eyes just about bugged out of my head; a major "WTF?!" moment.

 

So I went through Deadwood a second time, making absolutely sure this time that I followed the route on the map correctly. Everything went just as the same as before; got dizzy, reached the river that was defying the laws of physics, kept on the road making sure to not turn off anywhere; the highway was supposed to be at the very end of the road. The river ended where it did before. Little ways further I see a sign up ahead, "Welcome! Now Entering Deadwood". I screamed out loud, "I'm not even driving uphill!!!" (It had been a long trip, and I was getting tired and angry.)

 

So I go through the motions a third time, making all the same moves, even going so far as making sure my compass was working, which was how I realized that it wasn't. It either couldn't make up it's mind at times, and other times was completely inverted from where it should of been pointing (saying North was South). Saw the river running backwards again. This time I wasn't as surprised or amazed; it's novelty had worn off a long friggin time ago for me haha. Then I drove further, double checking with Siri on my phone that I was heading the right way. She sure seemed to think so. Then I saw a sign up ahead. WELCOME TO DEADWOOD!" At that point I'd lost hope and just kept driving through deadwood following Siri's mindless directions, eyes narrowed, getting ready to pull over and kick somebody's ass to find out who or what the hell is responsible for trapping me in this town lol. But this time, doing all the things I did before exactly the same way, expecting to end up in friggin' Deadwood again....I reached the Highway at the end of the road. I was so relieved to finally get out of that crazy little town with it's weird people and ridiculous street arrangement and stupid silly physics that were all over the place lol. I sped down the highway until I saw a gas station up ahead and screeched to halt there. I wanted some ANSWERS dammit! I marched in and asked the clerks if they've been noticing anything weird going on around here. I was hot and sweaty and looked like I'd been through hell. A clerk replied with a smile, "Weird things like rivers moving up hill, clocks running backwards, compasses pointing South, etc?"

"YES! Yes, EXACTLY like that shit!" I exclaimed enthusiastically, "What the hell's going on? I've been trapped in Deadwood all day long!" 

 

She seemed to empathize; I guess she's met quite a few people coming out of that area feeling nauseous and dizzy and all discombobulated. She could only chalk it up to "Weird shit happens in the Black Hills. Gravity's just funky in these parts. You should go check out the Cosmos Mystery Area!" And so I did; also went to Mount Rushmore because it was like, RIGHT there lol. And I'll tell you what, the Cosmos Mystery area was even trippier than leaving Deadwood. I walked into a cabin then a force sucked me up into the corner of the ceilling and I had to struggle to get back down onto the floor; I was practically standing on the wall. Balls and water would run up wood planks, things would look way smaller or large than they should be when placed next to each other; you could literally feel the energy in the air. It was....unnerving. Even though everything felt perfectly level, gravity was pulling us all over the place; it was worse in the center of the room; felt like standing on top of a pyramid only you were on a flat wooden floor lol.  

 

....That's Planet Earth for you I guess. Sometimes weird shit happens haha!

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Coolness; found this video of the Cosmos Mystery Area online. I was actually standing on those blocks; tripped me out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6r6x4u8RmU

 

There was another time that I was hunting high in the mountains back in Alaska; had my dog with me. We came upon a rest area and I decided to kick back there for a while. Max, my dog, was wandering around off in the distance, but looked abnormally large. I called him over to make sure he was okay, but as he got closer he shrunk down to normal size. He ran off again, and the further away he got, the larger he appeared to get. I was kinda scared I was having a brain anurism or something lmao; either that, or physics was doing the opposite of what it should be doing. Upon returning home I told my father about the experience; he's been a long time big game hunting guide professionally, and if anyone else experienced that on Alaskan hunting grounds, I'm pretty sure he had and would know what it was. Turns out it's just a trick of the sunlight at high altitude; I forget the exact name for it, but it's happened to enough people to be classified as a natural phenomenon. I guess "Mirage" would fit well. A lot of mirages happen at that altitude, like seeing a gently sloping hill all the way down to the base of the mountain; it looks gentle at first, but it gets much steeper until it's a drop off, so one has to resist the tempation to go that route; not as easy as it looks. The hills play tricks on ya I tell you! XD 

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Between 1981 and '83 I was assigned to a remote government installation in the American southwest as the installation intelligence NCO. This place still exists and is spooky in many ways. (Local folklore had it that Area 51 was an intentional feint and that the alien entities and space craft from the 1947 Roswell, NM crash were actually at this location.) The civilian workforce far outnumbered that of the military presence. There were lots of engineers and microbiologists in the mix. Security was provided by DOD Police and supplemented by military police. My job and security clearance provided access to the stuff of science fiction. Among my duties was requesting and analyzing what was known at the time as Stray Cat reports; lists of enemy satellites passing overhead. Certain tests and operations were scheduled during "dark skies", or when no satellites were scheduled overhead. Some of those tests looked exactly as John described above. To the uninitiated, and even to those of us who knew what was actually going on, it appeared that some sort of alien space battle was taking place. I am not saying that's what John saw, but I am saying that it is possible.

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Between 1981 and '83 I was assigned to a remote government installation in the American southwest as the installation intelligence NCO. This place still exists and is spooky in many ways. (Local folklore had it that Area 51 was an intentional feint and that the alien entities and space craft from the 1947 Roswell, NM crash were actually at this location.) The civilian workforce far outnumbered that of the military presence. There were lots of engineers and microbiologists in the mix. Security was provided by DOD Police and supplemented by military police. My job and security clearance provided access to the stuff of science fiction. Among my duties was requesting and analyzing what was known at the time as Stray Cat reports; lists of enemy satellites passing overhead. Certain tests and operations were scheduled during "dark skies", or when no satellites were scheduled overhead. Some of those tests looked exactly as John described above. To the uninitiated, and even to those of us who knew what was actually going on, it appeared that some sort of alien space battle was taking place. I am not saying that's what John saw, but I am saying that it is possible.

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Holy crap! Thanks for sharing; I LOVE having more plausible explanations than space aliens. Not that I don't believe in life on other planets, or that they'd never visit us, it's just much less likely than the military doing some kind of secret experiments, especially considering I lived only eight miles away from Fort Greeley Missile Defense Base; rumored to be one of the last lines of defense against the North Koreans. 

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