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Lorayne Poker Deal  (Close Up Card Magic).

Ten Second Poker Deal by David Regal (Close Up and Personal).  A fun interpretation of the Gardner poker deal in which the spectator deals himself a royal flush from a deck he shuffled.  Well, that’s the way it looks but you could always deal it to yourself.

According to Hoyle (The Magic Book by Karl Fulves).  A story of a gambler suspected of cheating involving five hands of cards. After each round of cards is dealt one player swaps hands with the magician but at the end the magician/gambler still has the winning hand.

How to Deal a Royal Flush.  This is another poker deal from the latter book. In apparently giving a demonstration of controlling one card in a poker hand, you actually control that and the rest of the cards to complete a royal flush. 

Exchange Poker by Nick Trost (Nick Trost’s Subtle Card Creations Vol.2). This is a variation on the earlier mentioned “According to Hoyle” with the swapping of hands. I think I’d be correct in saying most of the Trost Subtle Card Creations books have a chapter on poker or gambling themed routines, some using Gilbreath.

The Straight Dealer (OOPS Just Cards). Presentation about a gambler you met that just dealt straights (Searles plot.)

Pokericulum by Stewart James (The First Fifty Years) This involves five poker hands, after the first four cards have been dealt any of the other players can exchange hands with the magician/dealer in case they think he has controlled himself good cards already.  After the last card has been dealt everyone has the opportunity of discarding it and picking a better card from the deck, the dealer will stick with what he has. Dealer still wins.

So Fair Poker Deal by Stewart James (The First Fifty Years). Here six hands are involved and deuces are wild. Each time it is the performers time to take a card the top five cards of the deck are handed to someone to shuffle and he gives you one, the others being discarded. The hands are turned up and the performer has the better hand, Refusing to press his advantage the performer places his hand to one side. A spectator cuts the discard pile and deals the performer a new hand. It turns out to be even better than the first.

Hope for the Best by J.K Hartman (Means and Ends) or the revised version Best Wishes (Card Craft). Talking about how some gamblers try and wish themselves a good hand,  the performer has someone pick a dealt hand and think of a good card in that hand. When the cards are dealt again the spectator gets four of a kind matching the card he thought of in the hand he freely picked.  This was a favorite of mine for a time, I pattered about ‘the Secret' and visualization.

These are some of the poker deal themed routines I've used in the dim and distant past. I'm sure most here have used/played with the first one but has anyone else had fun with any of the others?

There was another James one I played with but cannot remember the name or where to find it in which you say you'll'deal yourself a winning hand but give the spectator the choice of how many hands you'll deal out from two to ten hands. Not only do you get the winning hand but it turns out you predicted what the hand would be. 

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You mention Lorayne's Poker Deal and I posted what’s below on the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum way back on September 1, 2005:

 

 

*          Lorayne’s Poker Deal

 

A poker deal is usually a demonstration of skill but I present this as a confused person who doesn't understand how to play cards.

 

The routine I do is Harry Lorayne's Poker Deal from page 153 of "Close Up Card Magic”.

 

The "bare bones' of the routine is:

 

**        You're going to explain how card sharks cheat and you pull out the

 four aces.

 

**        While doing this you secretly bring the 10S, JS, QS, and Ks to the top

 (in any order).

 

**        The four aces are openly put on the bottom of the deck with the AS on

 the bottom.

 

**        I explain that I was shown how gamblers cheat although I know little

about poker. I ask if anyone there does and when someone says they do I say that's good - he can help.

 

**        I then start to deal 5 handed poker and when I get to the dealer's

hand (mine) I openly deal from the bottom. I say, "This is called a "bottom deal" and I can't do it."

 

**        I repeat this three times and then I the fourth repeat I deal from the

 top because "I already have the four aces."

 

**        I then drop the dealer's hand on the deck followed by the other hands.

The way the deck is now set, if five poker hands were dealt the dealer would get a royal flush (the highest hand in poker).

 

**        I say that someone showed me how to get a good poker hand without

having to do a hard bottom deal. Also, the way this guy showed me you could shuffle the deck.

 

                        I give the deck a jog shuffle retaining the stack on top in place.

 

**        I deal out the five hands.

 

**        I start looking at the other hands and when I get to the second there is

an ace. I look confused. Same with the third and the fourth. I scratch my head.

 

**        I finally look at my (dealer's) hand and show a royal flush. I look

confused and I ask the guy that said he knew poker, "Is this any good?"

 

So I did the poker deal, a show of skill but I did it in a way that I didn't

 understand what happened. It happened – but I didn’t do it –

 

Perverse Magic!

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In Royal Road there is a poker deal  that is pretty much the Lorayne one but you end with 4 aces rather than a royal flush
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In Royal Road there is a poker deal  that is pretty much the Lorayne one but you end with 4 aces rather than a royal flush

I don't have the book handy (contents list is found here) , but is it perhaps "A Poker Puzzle" (page 129)?   One person has summarized that effect as follows: "This is a neat effect to perform when somebody asks if you can deal a good poker hand. The answer is yes... and no. You demonstrate to them by dealing five hands of five cards each, and you ending up with the four kings. You try it again, but this time you do not get the four kings... you get the four Aces!"

From memory, despite the name, "Poker Player's Picnic" (page 16) is actually a simple ace-cutting routine, so I don't think that's it.  Although I just noticed that in Paul Wilson's DVD series (product page) based on the Royal Road book, he calls it "Poker Player's Nightmare", but perhaps the routine is the same, and it's just a different name?

Or is it neither of the above two, and is it some other routine in the book?

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A Poker Puzzle, yes, that's the one [smile]
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   I could list at least twenty but  for now --- my Ten-Card Poker Deal, A Much Better Chance, Little Fella'-Big Fella'.   Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff, guys!
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   I could list at least twenty but  for now --- my Ten-Card Poker Deal, A Much Better Chance, Little Fella'-Big Fella'.   Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff, guys!


Yeah, I could have listed more Harry. And this IS good stuff, lol just not YOUR good stuff (well apart from the first mentioned) 😉. I was starting mostly with poker deal stuff that involves several hands. When you start on Ten Card Poker deals I could probably have listed over twenty of those. I would hope most card magicians are familiar with that plot and your approach to it. But now you've mentioned it...

There is another thread on the forum I hadn't seen initially about poker deals and riffle stacking etc. It struck me that some that want to go the difficult route and do that, and second dealing, bottom dealing, multiple breathers, punched deck and the like might find a simple routine like one of the James routines or a ten card deal sequence a good climax to a routine. For the James stuff you'd have to swap in the deck, but the novelty of cards and hands been swapped might build on what has been seen previously.

Similarly going from the difficult stuff to just ten cards (which could be taken from the deck in use) seems to be making things fairer and eliminating cover a deck might provide. 

Again, story patter takes some routines out of the apparent straight poker deal dem, though I included one in my my list. A great one of those I didn't mention was "The Three Mechanics" from "Jawdroppers".  Perhaps a different thread could be started about routines which include stories about gamblers but are not poker deal demonstrations. In fact I think I'll do that!
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    Include my Magician Vs Gambler. And, although not sure if it fits, my Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers.
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    Include my Magician Vs Gambler. And, although not sure if it fits, my Card Sharp & The Four Gamblers.


Gonna do that right now, Harry! 😉 😉
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Marlo/Gardner poker deal. 

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Just remembered another poker deal type routine that involved swapping around of cards. Not quite as simple as those mentioned, but just requires a tabled packet switch, Martin Nash's rather bold "Beating The Cheat Poker", the final routine in his book "Ever So Sleightly". 
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Angels May Shuffle But The Devil Still Deals

https://www.lybrary.com/angels-may-shuffle-but-the-devil-still-deals-p-211.html


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T G Murphy's 'Poker Deal Solution' is a wonderfully simple yet striking poker deal effect.
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"Paragon poker" by Simon Aronson could also be added to the list.
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Woody Aragon’s poker deal is good one. Like others, it is derivative, but it has a nice hook and plays well.
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T G Murphy's 'Poker Deal Solution' is a wonderfully simple yet striking poker deal effect.


Was that in his Imagication book? Sadly I disposed of that book years ago.
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That’s right Paul. Ebook version available at;

https://www.lybrary.com/imagication-p-326.h

Great book, really great. Especially for aspiring Imagicators.

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Terry LaGerould's "Lesson in Larceny" from Pasteboard Presentations is a nice pseudo gambling demo.

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“blessed Poker” is in Woody’s “ Book in English” and his Woodyland Dvd
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Also, Paul Gordon has a great one. And given Paul is a friend of Harry I suspect his effect’s DNA reaches back to the Maestro himself!

And for completeness sake, Bob Farmer has a whole book on 10 Card Poker deals. I haven’t read it, but Bob is a great writer and I am sure you’ll find something in there you can use!
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      My original Ten-Card Poker Deal - all handling; which ten cards to use, etc. - in my books of course, but also in Bob Farmer's book.  (Some flattering statements about me and mine  in that book - "Thanks, Bob.")
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       I still use my Ten-Card Poker Deal very often, but now I also often do my A Much Better Chance (also a 10-card poker deal) instead. Do some research - or read the good stuff - guys!!
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  to make it easier for you I'm including my routine, A Much Better Chance, in my upcoming (last) book, AND FINALLY!   The basic routine with an addition that makes it sooooo much stronger (although it's quite strong as originally taught).
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  to make it easier for you I'm including my routine, A Much Better Chance, in my upcoming (last) book, AND FINALLY!   The basic routine with an addition that makes it sooooo much stronger (although it's quite strong as originally taught).


I can hardly wait for your next book, Harry!

I just demonstrated, "That's Impossible" (page 176 in JD2) for Dan Waterman last night. It's not a poker deal, but ends in the revelations of a royal flush in spades.  Such a great effect! 

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I can hardly wait for your next book, Harry!

I just demonstrated, "That's Impossible" for Dan Waterman last night. Such a great effect!

Rudy



...Rudy never fails to fool/ENTERTAIN with a card effect or two when we get together. More often than not it's something from Harry...Rudy reads the "good stuff"!
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       Yes, Rudy does, as do so many others --- don't know how to get through to those who don't!!!  How to let them know what and how much they're missing.
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        Gee; that reads "egotistical."  You know - I don't care!  I just feel the need to "tell it like it is."
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... And for completeness sake, Bob Farmer has a whole book on 10 Card Poker deals. I haven’t read it, but Bob is a great writer and I am sure you’ll find something in there you can use!


I have read it, a must have collection for anyone interested in the ten card poker deal. Some fantastic strategies. Although I mentioned earlier, when I started the thread l was thinking more of poker deals with more than two hands. 

The ten card poker deal I've used most is the one phase "Power of Poker" from Solomon and Bannon in "Dear Mr Fantasy" which concludes with a prediction of the outcome. I mentioned this in my book "Still Small Still Deadly". I used larger cards and the prediction on the back of a million dollar bill 😉 Dave Solomon's description of it is in "The Wisdom of Solomon"  and J. K. Hartman has a variant on it in his book "Card Dupery".   These don't use the Jonah card idea. 
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       I still use my Ten-Card Poker Deal very often, but now I also often do my A Much Better Chance (also a 10-card poker deal) instead. Do some research - or read the good stuff - guys!!

In which books are your Ten Card Poker Deals, Harry?  Are there any in The Classic Collection Vol 2?

I've always been fascinated by the concept and plot of the ten card poker deal ever since I saw one featured as part of a Derren Brown special. His presentation, as always, is fascinating:



But am yet to learn one myself (shame on me), and would like to correct that shortcoming some time in the near future!

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    Ten-Card Poker Deal originally in Deck-Sterity and then in that section of Lorayne: The Classic Collection, Vol. 1. Unfortunately both out of print for a long time.
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    Ten-Card Poker Deal originally in Deck-Sterity and then in that section of Lorayne: The Classic Collection, Vol. 1. Unfortunately both out of print for a long time.

Ah, a pity.  Thanks for the info nonetheless.

In view of that, might we perhaps one day see your Ten-Card Poker Deal in the Trick Section of The Session Room? [hopeful smile]

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Harry. You’re a living legend and have been at this for long time. You’ve seen the good the bad and the ugly. And so much of what is classed as “original” has its genetic origin back to you or something you wrote about decades ago. That’s not “egotistical”, that I s “realistical”!
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Ah, a pity.  Thanks for the info nonetheless.

In view of that, might we perhaps one day see your Ten-Card Poker Deal in the Trick Section of The Session Room? [hopeful smile]


Harry's routine is included in the Bob Farmer book on the plot (great book), so still accessible. 

Copies of Decksterity CAN still be found:
https://www.amazon.com/Deck-Sterity-Harry-Lorayne/dp/B002MAT8XG
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   Was also just reminded that my Ten-Card Poker Deal is performed and taught in Vol. 2 of my "Best Ever" 4-vol. DVD set.
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   Was also just reminded that my Ten-Card Poker Deal is performed and taught in Vol. 2 of my "Best Ever" 4-vol. DVD set.

Perfect, hadn't thought of the video option!  In fact, if I'm not mistaken this is the performance clip right here!


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        This is a much stronger entertainment piece when done for a group. Because other audience members will start to kibitz, give tips, etc.  If I haven't already mentioned it - A Much Better Chance is also a ten-card poker deal routine, but does not use the Jonah card.
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I like Joshua Jay's 2-4-2 Poker Deal.
You remove 10 cards.
The spectator chooses who will get what cards (face down).
You have the higher hand.
Good to win drinks with.
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   I believe the 2-4-2 Poker Deal is a Richard Vollmer idea.  And in my A Much Better Chance, same thing - spectator chooses who will get what cards (face down).
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The 2-4-2 Poker Deal is similar to the Solomon/Bannon routine.

Some more simple, hand of poker routines:

Jokers Wild! by Gerald Kosky (The Magic of Gerald Kosky). 

Flush Out by Charles Hudson (p. 1076 of "The James File" or July 1964 issue of "The New Tops").
I think the latter would be a GREAT climax to a ten card poker deal sequence, cards returned to deck and then two hands selected this way, performer ends up with a royal flush. 
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If you're looking for a complete list of routines with this concept, check out the 261 entries under "10 Card Poker Deal" at Denis Behr's conjuring archive at this page:

https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/category/1578

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     That's one heck of a list but NOT complete, because - unless I missed it - my A MUCH BETTER CHANCE "ain't" there. And that's - in my obviously biased opinion - one of the best ten-card poker deal items.
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Speaking of 10 Card Poker deals - I'm enamored with 20 card poker deals in the spirit of Bruce Bernstein's "Psych-Out." It does involve Jonah cards, but the clever thing is that any card from the first 9 acts as a Jonah with the cards in the second set. There are actually 18 cards - 3 each of nines through aces. On the first deal you use 9 cards from group 1 and 1 from group 2. That 1 card is the Jonah card. In round 2 you place the 10 from round 1 under the remaining 8. Now you get 9 cards from group 2 which are different cards than those from the first round. Again you get one card from the other group to make 10. This card is the new Jonah card.

Bruce's routine is very well constructed. I think there are four phases. Very cool routine.

Also, thanks for the reminder about the 2-4-2 item. It's cool. 

I taught my Poker Power routine in the Magician's Forum lecture I did last year. It's based on the original Elmsley concept but doesn't use any bottom dealing as in Elmsley's original. Spec chooses all his cards. He doesn't choose cards for you. You simply get what's left over after he has chosen five cards. He gets a full house. You end up with a Royal Flush.

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The one i am working on now is a Texas Hold Em poker deal, and and uses the burn cards too, it's Jason England's Best Hand Evermore from the book Hold Em Magic by Tom Frame.

It does require a set up and I give it false shuffle for good measure. IMHO these Texas Hold Em poker deals are the wave of the future as Hold Em is the game being played on TV and the World Series Of Poker and the online games.

I have never seen a 5 card draw game on TV or online..
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Speaking of Texas Holdem deals, Jack Carpenter has a mind blowing such routine based on a Jay Jayaraman idea. You'll fool yourself with this self-worker. Jay's idea may be in the Tom Frame book but Carpenter put it to use in a killer routine.

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Mike,

Jay does have a routine in the above book but it's based on the Marlo/Gardner Poker Routine from Marlo's Let's See The Deck (1942). Jay credits Jason England for the routine Best Hand Ever in the book Hold Em Magic.

This routine looks like the goods..

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The word "ultimate" can sometimes be annoying. But David Malek's "The Ultimate Ten-Card Poker Deal" and Jack Carpenter's "Ultimate Hold 'em" are worthy of the word. These are both fantastic routines. Malek killed with his Ten Card Poker deal at John Luka's convention. He has an awesome ending. David is a consummate entertainer too. Check his site at http://www.doublegeorge.com

Here's a description of the Carpenter routine: $20 is offered if things fail to happen as the magi describes. The spec shuffles and deals out the first card of five different Texas Hold'em hands. The spec shuffles a second time and deals out five more cards, so now there are five 2 card hands in a row on the table.

The spec is given a totally free choice of any of these hands. The others are removed from play. The spec deals out the flop, turn and river face up. In each case Hold'em procedure is followed and a face down burn card is discarded before each of the communal cards are turned face up.

The spec ends up making a straight flush in clubs by using the communal cards. On the $20 bill is a message - "You will receive a straight flush in clubs"

Great routine.

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In one of his TV specials, Derren Brown did a fairly basic 10 Card Poker Deal (I think it was called "The Losing Hand"). 

The presentation (as you'd expect for Derren Brown) revolves around psychology, and he sets it up as something where he will influence the spectator to make certain choices.  Here's the video clip showing the routine:


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I revisited Malek's routine which I bought at the Luka convention. It's like a master class in the 10 Card Poker deal that includes a fantastic routine with an ending I've never seen before.

The table of contents addresses an amazing array of factors including: how many phases there should be; where to insert the routine in your show; spectator selection; marking the Jonah card; practice with the Jonah card; which cards should be used and how to remember them; culling quickly; possible hands; spectator management and expectation.

He then goes into the seven phases of his routine. Phase 6 is "face-up spec decides." Phase 7 is "One hand torn" where a couple of cards are torn in half. This is the phase I've never seen.

David also has a great way of handling the situation where the spec has total freedom and gives you the Jonah card. Excellent solution.

There are sections on how to practice; using different premises e.g. wife against husband; and how to play against a woman, an older man and even a child.

I have no financial stake in this routine. Just passing on the info.

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Here's a video I did a while back, Jack's Ultimate Hold'em routine
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