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Nice routine rready, and well done - thanks for sharing!
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Also, Paul Gordon has a great one. And given Paul is a friend of Harry I suspect his effect’s DNA reaches back to the Maestro himself!

I've read a lot of positive things about Paul Gordon's "Head to Head Poker" routine.

Wasn't this included in Harry Lorayne’s Best of Friends (Vol 3)?

I also recall reading that Gordon's routine is similar to John Bannon's "Power of Poker".  Are these effects similar or related at all?



There is a trailer for Paul Gordon's "Head to Head Poker" routine, but it doesn't show a complete performance:


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Hi Ender,
Yes the Bannon and Gordon versions are similar and both very easy to perform. Bannon’s has a kicker “prediction” ending which may or may not be necessary depending on your style. Neither uses a Jonah card. Both require strong performances

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I taught my routine "Natural Poker Power" in the Magician's Forum lecture Sept. 2016. It's based on Elmsley's original. Elmsley used five bottom deals to get the job done. I eliminated the bottom deal and get the same effect. It's a bit different from the Solomon, Bannon et al methods. Those methods are self-working which has appeal. I think the big advantage is that they can be done with the big cards from platform.

What I like about the original Elmsley idea (which is part of Natural Poker Power) is that the spectator only chooses his own cards. He chooses all of them and leaves the magician with the discards. It's not that difficult to imagine that the magician is giving you choices of bad cards for yourself and good cards for him which basically is the method. Solomon's version has a problem too. You have to make the person take the correct last card. He just says, "Take the one that gives you the best hand." But a wary spectator could take the other card and cause the magician to lose. Paul G solved that problem with his idea of "Top or bottom."

I know that the Solomon/Bannon approach is solid. But does it fall apart when the specs have time to entertain the thought that you only give the spec a choice between two bad cards while the choice for you is between two good cards? 

Link to Natural Poker Power

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Tony Cabral offers up "Sting Too," a Texas Hold-Em effect based on a Darwin Ortiz plot.  I use it on a regular basis.  

I've also developed a handling based on Tom Dobrowolski's "Big Four Poker," with ideas from John Bannon.  My version is ridiculously easy, and there's only one "sneaky" move in the entire effect.  Anything else done is done openly, and is exactly what you say you're doing.  And yet, from a face-up, face-down mixing of the cards, you end up with a royal flush.  As is my wont, it's far more of a story effect than just a trick.

1f you're interested, lemme know.
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I taught my routine "Natural Poker Power" in the Magician's Forum lecture Sept. 2016. It's based on Elmsley's original. Elmsley used five bottom deals to get the job done. I eliminated the bottom deal and get the same effect.


Nice effect.

What is the reference of Elmsley's original version?

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I think the original is on the DVD set. He taught it at 4F some years back. It created a bit of a sensation and it was fun to have the routine before it came out. 

The Denis Behr archive shows this: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/book/1101?highlight=51704



It appears to be lecture notes from 1997. 

Elmsley's method was to start with two non-RF cards for a real choice. The discard went to the bottom. Now both the top and bottom card are Non RF cards. He deals on normally and one from the bottom, recycling the first discard. So if you start with six non-RF cards on top and the five RF cards on the bottom, the spec will get five non RF cards. You'll have six cards as five or you could use Paul G's idea and be cleaner.

I chose to go with the extra card in my routine. My stack is totally different from the Elmsley stack. I just figured out a way to recycle the non RF card without a bottom deal.

I'm pretty sure that Elmsley used an 11th card too.

His routine is called Power Poker.

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This just in:

I just realized that the same handling used in my trick can produce an oil and water effect. You could do it with, say, 13 cards and end up with a 6/7 split. The extra card would likely wash out in that you don't have to say that you have 10 cards for two five card hands. 

For oil and water, you'd end up with one odd card in your group. But it's easy to show your cards as all black and then use a double to flip the spec's cards to FU while unloading the card into the spec's group. Just holding back one card as I do in my Natural Poker Power routine works fine, though.

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Thanks for your two detailed replies.

I have both volumes of Elmsley's collected works, I will try to find it there, although I do not remember to have seen it there.

Concerning bottom deal or not, there are some easy ways in which you can force four cards out of ten to the spectator.
In fact, it is the spectator
who chooses nine (!) times which card to retain and which to give to the magician. It looks similar to your offering in pairs.


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I know that the Solomon/Bannon approach is solid. But does it fall apart when the specs have time to entertain the thought that you only give the spec a choice between two bad cards while the choice for you is between two good cards? 

Mike


Never had a problem with it. I used larger than normal cards and often gave them a Charlier shuffle first. If the cards have been mixed there should be no thought of offering good and bad cards. 
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Paul's comment made me think (shame on you, Paul!) ....

The best reactions I've received on Bannon's version was when using large-sized cards. Is it because people think sleight-work is impossible with big cards?

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Another ploy is to use the Curry false mixing procedure to seemingly let the spectator change the order of the cards. A Charlier shuffle and a cut to a marked card to restore order is also a good idea. The more random things seem to be, the better.

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Paul's comment made me think (shame on you, Paul!) ....

The best reactions I've received on Bannon's version was when using large-sized cards. Is it because people think sleight-work is impossible with big cards?

--mike


I think so. I remember Peter Duffie commenting along those lines with a jumbo card routine in "Effortless Card Magic". 

Some magicians hate them because they think they scream 'gaff' but people have seen giant cards in Walmart and novelty shops now. 
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Also, Paul Gordon has a great one. And given Paul is a friend of Harry I suspect his effect’s DNA reaches back to the Maestro himself!

And for completeness sake, Bob Farmer has a whole book on 10 Card Poker deals. I haven’t read it, but Bob is a great writer and I am sure you’ll find something in there you can use!

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Actually, NO, it doesn't!
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My Head To Head Poker is very easy. It's in Gold Dust. And, I have a very sneaky handling in Article 52. X Paul Gordon
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Here's one where you play a game of 5 card stud.
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