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Mind Phantom

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In his book Mentalism Incorporated #2 Chuck Hickok has an essay on predictions. It seems to him that the term "prediction" is impossible and not believable.

Instead of giving the spectators a prediction he uses the term " forecast ". Forecasts are more genuine sounding for example " Because I've been studying human behavior for the past 17   years, and I can make a rather accurate forecast as what will happen with our time together. ''

If you think about it just about anything can be a forecast. Trying to predict the future sounds impossible. I am just starting to do this.

I read somewhere that Derren Brown doesn't like written predictions either.
 
I think I am going to do Koran's Newspaper Headline a little differently.

Are prediction effects too impossible? What are your thoughts?
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No.

Written predictions go back centuries. Not believable? You could say that about most things done by mentalists. 

Some mentalists don't like predictions just like some mentalists think playing cards or printed materials should not be used.

But you just need to be comfortable in whatever you're presenting. 

Didn't Jules Verne pretty much predict the moon landing in one of his books? Three people in a capsule? Okay he'd 'imagined' what might occur. Science fiction writers have been ahead of the game many times so not sure why predicting the future seems so impossible.

Of course, people have heard of Nostradamus, possibly Swedenborg. People may have heard of people avoiding flights at the last moment before accidents have happened. 

The 'idea' of some people being able to see into the future is an idea that is within popular culture through books and films etc . and writing things or recording things beforehand is 'proof' of knowing in advance.

Predicting, forecasting, are surely just interchangeable words for the same thing?

One might have introductory remarks about predictions in the past people have made or talk about theories surrounding 'time' or 'behavioural studies. However, I don't think you need to always give a theory as to how you are doing what you do during a show, peoples imaginations can do that for you. 

I don't often introduce predictions as 'HERE IS A PREDICTION' or "I MADE A PREDICTION EARLIER. It might be just, I'll place this envelope here, it will be important later. 

I have Chuck's books (they are good) and met him once, nice guy. He does not think cards should be used in mentalism either, but in one book explains what got him into mentalism; he was blown away with a mental themed card effect 😉  


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Well put, Paul, particularly the line:

"Predicting, forecasting, are surely just interchangeable words for the same thing?"

Around here we get all sorts of professionals and experts making predictions and forecasting events. Weather forecasters in particular make predictions and get them wrong so often the phrase "they never get it right" is perfectly and hilariously appropriate.

Hilarious?

Well they "never get it right," but they manage to keep their jobs.

Also from Paul:

"People may have heard of people avoiding flights at the last moment before accidents have happened."

"Final Destination"?

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The 'idea' of some people being able to see into the future is an idea that is within popular culture through books and films etc . and writing things or recording things beforehand is 'proof' of knowing in advance.

Predicting, forecasting, are surely just interchangeable words for the same thing?
 




I would guess that semantics is at play between forecasting and predicting, never thought of it like that, then again what do I know lol.

What I do know is that people who watch a mentalism show or, who watch mentalists' perform, they want to see results in the positive i.e they don't want to see a performer get it wrong though out the show. They want to see the mentalist get it right, all the time.

And prove of getting it right is having something written down in advance, makes total sense to me.




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This was a good movie about predicted future events, not just written. but written in code, lol.

https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/knowing-2009

There have been a few mentalists that have done predictions in code to leave with someone before the show, Al Koran was one 😉

 
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Predictions are perfectly wonderful dramatic devices. Mankind has a fascination with seeing into the future, always has, always will. Every January newspapers and magazines make their annual predictions for the coming year. Some people seek patterns in nature, the alignment of the stars, or the loose leaves in the bottom of a tea cup and use them to predict future events. Consider the cast of literary and mythical characters wracked with anxiety over this prediction or that. And pity poor Cassandra; gifted with visions of the future, but fated to be ignored.

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This thread has me laughing.

So check this out; Chuck, a Mentalist, doesn't like the word predicting. He prefers forecasting because it sounds more believable.

Now look at the news. You're watching a weather forecast. What if they called it today's weather prediction? Would you still bring your umbrella when they say it's going to rain, or leave it home because that sounds unbelievable?

The endless search for the right word and the right prop.
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I think we should all default to the word "foreshadowing."
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I think we should all default to the word "foreshadowing."

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But predictions is what makes it impossible and amazing. You can just watch the weather channel for forecasts lol
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