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Can I get some ideas (more like reminders) for simple, non-gaffed, coin tricks you do that could be done with borrowed or at least impromptu?

I've been focusing on perfecting specific sleights lately, since I don't have a "show" or other performance on the horizon. And I've noticed that I've started forgetting a lot of the basics/simple stuff that can be used for quick, impromptu coin tricks.

I've fallen back on a few that I can do with any coins. My go-to trick is a little sequence that starts with a one-handed change from a Morgan to a Chinese coin (OK, this is usually not borrowed coins, but I CAN do it that way if need be). I use the "crimp change" (from Marion Boykin) for this. I then take the coin into the left had and do a spellbound change back to the Morgan. I then reach into my pocket and get clean while reaching for a Sharpie and do the Striking Vanish.

Someone here suggested that to me and I thank you!! I'm sorry I don't remember who suggested it. Let me know if this was you :-).

Anywho.... a few other things I do quickly include the David Roth L'Homme Masque thing - vanish a coin, reveal the vanish, do L'Homme Masque to bring it back. I almost always do Tankai Pennies.

But I remember learning dozens of tricks while developing my coin magic - things from Bobo or David Roth's videos, etc. But they all have just fallen by the wayside for some reason.

So back to the initial question. What simple coin tricks (ungaffed) do you do that seem to really work well in a situation like "oh, show me a trick" when you are standing in front of a person or a few people? I know there are some gems in the "basic" coin magic toolkit that I abandoned while searching for the more "impressive" or difficult (as if the specs care - they don't) knuckle busters.

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There is an impromptu coins across routine that is from Eric Jones' metal download. 
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On June 1, 2015 I posted “Quarter App” to the Perverse Magic thread of the Genii Forum. Part of that post is:

 

Quarter App

 

Background

 

On November 1, 2014 I posted “Oh You Have One Of These Pens” on this thread, the effect of which is that you pick up a spectator’s pen, pretend to examine it, pull off the cap, look at the cap and then shake it. A quarter drops out from the cap though the diameter is much smaller than the diameter of the quarter. You give the quarter to the spectator, put the cap back on the pen and place it back on her desk.

 

I explained there that this was an example of the sixth category of Perverse Magic – Performer explains something that will happen but he doesn’t understand why it happens.

 

A quick trick and, as I suggested, you let the spectator keep the quarter – I mean, it came from her pen.

 

I was a guest at a party where there were lots of teenagers. Almost every one of them had a cell phone. I couldn’t resist!

 

Effect

 

“Oh does that cell phone have the “quarter app”? you ask the confused teenager.

 

You’re curious so you take their phone in your right hand by its sides between your fingers and thumb and tell the youngster to hold out his – or her – hand.  He or she does.

 

You hold the cell phone over the outstretched hand and your left hand taps the top of the phone and a quarter falls into the teenager’s hand.

 

“Oh it does. Isn’t it a great app?” you say as you walk away putting the cell on top of the quarter in the open hand.

 



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Man, there are so many!

Gregory Wilson's A Questionable Trick is about as impromptu as you can get. It's done with regular coins and a couple of simple sleights. It's on his DVD On The Spot. I really like this one!

Expansion of Texture is another nice, impromptu coin trick. Couple it with a coins across sequence and it's a great routine. All you need is a pocket handkerchief or bandana (whatever suits your style), a couple of coins, and boom. Expansion of Texture-Expanded is even better. Both are found in Modern Coin Magic. Great tricks!

A one coin routine with a borrowed quarter?

Eugene Burger has a nice handling for The Fading Coin - not sure at the moment who to attribute it to - but it's a beauty. Another fave if I am seated. Edit: Fading Coin was invented by Tomoyuki Takahashi.

David Parr's Proof Positive is another, and while perhaps more mentalism than coin magic, it does use a coin. Socrates has some ideas that allow this one to be done away from a table. Good stuff!

Slip a couple of coins in a TT and keep it in your pocket. Borrow a bill. Conspire to wrap the bill around the TT and "draw interest" from the bill before handing it back to its owner.

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Thanks guys. I appreciate it.
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Fugitive Coin by David Roth
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My immediate thought was coin from pen-cap a Gerald outlines above. I'd precede with a striking vanish a la Williamson. 
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I saw a little kid do this at a magic convention years ago. It fooled all of us.

LH holds coin
RH comes to take coin, executes French Drop.
LH retains coin, but RH "shows" coin at fingertips a la Slydini.
Body bends down and RH shoves "coin" under right shoe.
While still bent down...LH opens and shows both sides empty.
Then RH opens hand and shows both sides empty.
Both hands point to left shoe that pivots to the left at the heel showing nothing underneath.
Both hands point to right shoe that pivots to the right at the heel showing nothing underneath.
You straighten up after showing coin has vanished, then point to mouth to reveal coin is between your teeth.

SECRET: When you bend down to put the "coin" in your RH under your shoe, your LH puts the real coin in your mouth.
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Any of Roth's Wild Coins are good and quick and magical.

I second David Parr's Proof Positive.  John Bannon has a rendition of that sort of thing in High Caliber and i believe it is called Ion Man.



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I saw a little kid do this at a magic convention years ago. It fooled all of us. LH holds coin RH comes to take coin, executes French Drop. LH retains coin, but RH "shows" coin at fingertips a la Slydini. Body bends down and RH shoves "coin" under right shoe. While still bent down...LH opens and shows both sides empty. Then RH opens hand and shows both sides empty. Both hands point to left shoe that pivots to the left at the heel showing nothing underneath. Both hands point to right shoe that pivots to the right at the heel showing nothing underneath. You straighten up after showing coin has vanished, then point to mouth to reveal coin is between your teeth. SECRET: When you bend down to put the "coin" in your RH under your shoe, your LH puts the real coin in your mouth.


Dan - I've seen this a bunch of times. Kozmo puts the coin in his eye like a monocle, though.

Also, when you said he ""shows" coin at fingertips a la Slydini," I'm not sure what you meant.

Thanks for reminding me of this though!
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Thanks for those additions, everyone!
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Also, when you said he ""shows" coin at fingertips a la Slydini," I'm not sure what you meant.



This:


At 16 seconds you will see what Dan refers to.
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Yes, that's what I was referring to.
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Thanks Anthony and Dan!
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Fugitive Coin by David Roth


Thanks Tom! I just learned this. Very interesting and unique. Thanks for the tip.

Presumably you do this trick. David Roth recommended a Bahamas 5-dollar coin, which is 36mm. I don't have a coin of that size, though the 34mm 1950s peso coin SEEMS large enough. I guess the proof of the pudding will be in the trying of the trick on a real person :-).
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I use a Canadian Silver Dollar.  It's milled and the right size.  But if you can find what David recommends... 
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Aha. The ones from between 1935–1967 are the same size as the Bahamas coin Roth mentioned.
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If someobody is wearing a watch, then coin under watch. 
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If someobody is wearing a watch, then coin under watch. 


---or take the watch --- see Perverse Magic thread of Genii Forum December 1, 2007
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"Portal" by Kainoa Harbottle is a killer quick single coin routine that can be done completely impromptu.
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If someobody is wearing a watch, then coin under watch. 


Not familiar with that one.
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"Portal" by Kainoa Harbottle is a killer quick single coin routine that can be done completely impromptu.


As much of a Kainoa fan as I am, I am surprised I don't have this one. Where did he publish it? I love one coin routines and am looking for more.

My current favorite is Jay Sankey's Messiah Vanish. but you have to be a few feet away for the angles to be effective.

Anyway, thanks for that tip. I can't wait to learn another Kainoa trick!
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My immediate thought was coin from pen-cap a Gerald outlines above. I'd precede with a striking vanish a la Williamson. 

That's what came to mind as well, Gareth.

I also do a quick trick where I vanish a coin and it appears under my shoe a couple of times.

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     Out of the 130/135 effects/routines in my "Best Ever" 4-Vol. DVD set there are - that I can think of at the moment - about 5 or 6 impromptu  non-card effects (I know one of them is my broken/restored rubber band, Snap!; another is Ear It Is - something with which I've blown people away for decades) --- and, anyway, off-hand I can think of three coin items - Cointrol and One-Hand Coin Vanish (they're in Vol. 2, I believe) and in Vol. 4, Han Ping Chien Finesses.  I'm too lazy at the moment to check 'em out, but I think I've got 'em right. You may even want to check 'em out.
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Thanks Harry! I have one of the volumes already. I'm going to find those others.
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    Oh, and many have told me over the decades that they originally learned a coin-through-table routine from THE MAGIC BOOK. There are about 13 or so coin effects in that book.  (Ya' gotta' start reading the good stuff, guys!!)
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    Don't know what you mean by "going to find...etc."   You can find them at harryloraynemagic.com.
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Well, I didn't mean find the DVDs. I meant find the tricks...after I get the DVDs[cool]
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     Oh.
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There is a good coins across in The Magic Book
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Not familiar with that one.


Coin Under Watch

 

One of the best things about my involvement in magic is the people I’ve met and made friends with. Among such friends are Steve Cohen and Mark Sicher.

 

Steve and Mark published this effect (which is called Quart (er) Z Watch) in the April 1990 issue of Apocalypse (page 1765).

 

Steve Cohen is a very friendly and low keyed person who calls himself “The Millionaires’ Magician” and who has recently written a book called, ‘Win the Crowd”. Steve  often performs in the famous New York Waldorf Astoria doing his show which he calls “Chamber Magic”.

 

As for Mark Sicher, the following appeared in a program called “Share the Magic” a benefit held on March 6, 1994:

 

"At the age of 22, Mark Nathan Sicher fulfilled his lifetime ambition and
embarked on an exciting career as a professional magician. His unique sense
of humor and fresh youthful approach gave him a great deal of success and
earned him international praise from the magic community.

"However, 6 months later, in January of 1993, Mark was diagnosed with bone
cancer and forced to put his new career on hold. During the course of his
treatment this past year, he has become closely involved with many children
struggling with similar circumstances.

"On March 6th Mark will be joined by some of the top conjurers in the nation
as they perform their miracles to help further the fight against childhood
cancer."

 

Mark died shortly before the benefit.

 

The Coin Under Watch is a wonderful example of an effect that can be used to show “Perverse Magic”.

 

A summary of the effect is as follows:

 

1          The magician borrows a quarter and tells a woman (it works better with a

woman spectator) that he’s going to put the quarter in his left hand and make it pass invisibly to his right hand and she’s to hold his left hand closed when he puts the quarter in it.

 

2          The coin vanishes from the magician’s left hand but he’s surprised that it’s not in his right hand. He looks confused and then sees that it’s under his watch band (the coin apparently got stuck along the way) which further confuses him.

 

3          He says he’ll try it again and again the quarter is not in his left hand but again it’s not in his right hand either. Again he’s confused and he’s even more confused when it’s not under his watch as it was before.

 

4          The confused magician asks the spectator to check her watch and both she and the magician are bewildered as to how it got there.

 

The routine is clearly explained by Harry Lorayne in the April 1990 issue

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Wow, thanks Gerald!
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Hey Ken,

I highly recommend David Williamson's penguin lecture if you have not already seen it. He teaches an ungaffed coins across which ends clean because you only use 4 cards and 4 coins. It is quick and uses the one ahead principle. Perfect!

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Interesting. I have not seen that. I'll check it out.
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Interesting. I have not seen that. I'll check it out.




You can maybe figure out what he's doing if you have some coins experience, but it plays well for how simple it is.

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For what it's worth, no matter what new stuff I do for my niece, she ALWAYS says "Can you do the one where the quarter is in my ear?"

I guess it's hard to beat the classics
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For what it's worth, no matter what new stuff I do for my niece, she ALWAYS says "Can you do the one where the quarter is in my ear?"

I guess it's hard to beat the classics


You know, I had sort of dismissed this because of how old/tired/lame it seemed. And then I watched Oz Pearlman do it on "The Greatest Beginner Magic DVD Ever." He was teaching the "spider grip vanish" using TP and was out on the street in Vegas doing it to adults and killing it!

More evidence that it's the performer/performance of a trick that can matter more than the trick itself. Oz elevates this simple old trick to something actually cool! Amazing. So yes. thanks for the reminder!
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You can maybe figure out what he's doing if you have some coins experience, but it plays well for how simple it is.


Alex. Looks like Matrix to me, no?
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Alex. Looks like Matrix to me, no?


You're Correct, brain fart! Sorry!

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That Williamson coin matrix just requires 4 coins and no gaffs and is the most magical looking I've ever seen. It's in the book and on his video Sleight of Dave 2.

It's also really easy
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Anybody seen this 15-year old kid yet?

https://www.ellusionist.com/moritz-mueller-one-coin-routine.html



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Saw him on Ellen once. He's very good
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That Williamson coin matrix just requires 4 coins and no gaffs and is the most magical looking I've ever seen. It's in the book and on his video Sleight of Dave 2.

It's also really easy


I didn't even know there WAS a matrix that used extra coins or gaffs! The original version by Al Schneider is just 4 coins and 4 cards. I also do a slightly different version I learned from a Shoot Ogawa lecture, but it's essentially the same - 4 coins and 4 cards. The original uses a one-handed "move" while most other versions do the move with 2 hands.  
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Anybody seen this 15-year old kid yet?

https://www.ellusionist.com/moritz-mueller-one-coin-routine.html



I remember seeing him on youtube a while back. I wanted to smack him...kinda like those 5 year old kids that can rip Van Halen or Stevie Ray Vaughn on guitar.

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At 16 seconds you will see what Dan refers to.



The most amazing/saddest part of that for me is that I know what he's doing and I'm burning his hands and still don't see it. Maybe if I practice daily for the next 40 years I might come close to almost being as good at that move as Slydini. I'll be 83, but, hey.

Boy, I'm away from the forum for a few days and the green-eyed monster rears its ugly head from the jump! LOL
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       Check out The Traveling Salesmen in THE MAGIC BOOK.  You really have to start reading the good stuff, guys!
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I remember seeing him on youtube a while back. I wanted to smack him...kinda like those 5 year old kids that can rip Van Halen or Stevie Ray Vaughn on guitar.

The most amazing/saddest part of that for me is that I know what he's doing and I'm burning his hands and still don't see it. Maybe if I practice daily for the next 40 years I might come close to almost being as good at that move as Slydini. I'll be 83, but, hey.

Boy, I'm away from the forum for a few days and the green-eyed monster rears its ugly head from the jump! LOL


To be fair, the camera helped him a lot here. Not to take anything away from him. He's really good. But those moves are very angly. Some JW, Nowhere Palm, really smooth ROV transfers, Ramsay and Kaps subtleties. They look fantastic if someone is right in front of you at the right distance.

Don't sell yourself short, Chico. I think a month or two of daily practice would get you there.
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To be fair, the camera helped him a lot here. Not to take anything away from him. He's really good. But those moves are very angly. Some JW, Nowhere Palm, really smooth ROV transfers, Ramsay and Kaps subtleties. They look fantastic if someone is right in front of you at the right distance.

Don't sell yourself short, Chico. I think a month or two of daily practice would get you there.


Thanks for the encouragement, Ken. I also try to remind myself that from what I've seen, Slydini used a lot of lapping. And he was really good at it. But, I don't find myself seated at a table to perform very often. So, it could be a moot point.
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Oh yes! Slydini used lapping. He is pretty much considered the master of that (and many other things). But you're right - I don't find myself seated very often when doing actual performance. It's pretty much only when I'm at a meal and want to do something for friends that I use lapping. HOWEVER, I made a busking table for stand-up shows. And there is a "gibeciere" on the table - a sort of "black art well," but behind/on the back of the table. This allows me to do "lapping" while standing. It also allows me to do tricks in actual performance situations that otherwise could only be done seated.
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I’m not a professional magician and so much of my magic is done at dinner with friends or clients and as a Slydini student I, of course do some lapping.

 

There are many great coin effects that can be done at a dinner table and I will point out one – “For A Change”.

 

A quarter is borrowed (or picked up from the table) and tossed from the right hand to the left twice but on the second toss, instead of a quarter, the spectators see two dimes and a nickel – and the hands are otherwise empty.

 

I showed this to Harry Lorayne and he published this on page 1486 of Apocalypse (April 1988)



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I’m not a professional magician and so much of my magic is done at dinner with friends or clients and as a Slydini student I, of course do some lapping.

There are many great coin effects that can be done at a dinner table and I will point out one – “For A Change”.

 A quarter is borrowed (or picked up from the table) and tossed from the right hand to the left twice but on the second toss, instead of a quarter, the spectators see two dimes and a nickel – and the hands are otherwise empty.

I showed this to Harry Lorayne and he published this on page 1486 of Apocalypse (April 1988)



Thanks Gerald. THAT is the kind of thing I was looking for in this thread. I think I can glean the sleight used from the description, and it's one of "the basics" used in an interesting and direct way. Good stuff!
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