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Benjamin Earl has a product available called 'Real Coin Magic' of which I am sure some folk are already aware.  There is a review here at the Magician's Forum, but I thought the video was quite interesting in itself:



Watching this brought to mind thoughts from Juan Tamariz, and also reminded me of the original 'Street Magic' show of David Blaine.  Coin magic that is simple and to the point!

Do you need to purchase the product?  Well this is a choice only you can make, but again I am happy enough to view the trailer and take notes. 

I guess it is called 'Real' coin magic due to the way it is performed... anyone who is familiar with coin moves and misdirection will be able to ascertain what is going on and create, or re-create, similar kinds of effects.

As I say it reminds me of the early David Blaine coin work, take from this what you will.
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I think someone posted a shorter trailer some time back and we all debated the use of the word "real."

In the Primary Movement demo I'm wondering, "How did he get into Purse Palm so quickly and without visible movement or misdirection?!" Of course there's another probable explanation... At any rate the demo was impressive.

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Is this it?

http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/review-real-coin-magic-by-benjamin-earl-and-vanishing-inc-9480357?highlight=real+coin+magic
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I got to see Benjamin perform for some laypeople at the Magi Fest two years ago. Very cool indeed.

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I went to one of Ben's all day Neomovement workshops. And he performed several pieces from this DVD. One of them was his coin vanish, and I swear it was the most magical feeling I've ever had. I completely knew that the coin was in his hands, and there was absolutely no way it could possibly vanish. 

 

Primary Movement was also incredible, and I've been playing with that ever since. 

 

For such simple ideas Ben shares a tonne of detail, so I'd suggest that its well worth buying the DVD. 

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I had generally always considered Ben to be a card guy... most of his published work is with cards. But then I was totally amazed by his coin work. 

And then, at The Session convention a couple of years ago someone was showing Ben some OK magic with a rubber ball and a shell. Ben then borrowed the ball, gave the shell back and performed some absolutely incredible magic with just a single rubber ball. 

 

Also at The Session during his lecture he invited a young guy on stage to shuffle the cards. This guy did some fancy shuffles which Ben encouraged and for a couple of minutes he sat back and gave all of the attention to this guy. When he'd finished shuffling he got one of the biggest applause's at the convention. It was a really nice moment. I've seen other magicians at conventions make fun of people who come up and do a fancy shuffle.  

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I just recently purchased Benjamin’s “Real Coin Magic” DVD, and I must say I’m very impressed.  The effects are wondrously magical, and his explanations contain an impressive amount of attention to detail.  His superb understanding of the psychological aspects of movement, timing, and interacting with spectators is superb.  This is stuff I’m going to practice and perform!

 Highly recommended.


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In re the Primary Movement routine: I am intrigued and keep (unsuccessfully) trying to get from steal to Purse Palm in microseconds. And without (apparent) finger movement. Damn! Is it an edit? Doesn't appear to be, but how would I know?! Rather than Purse Palm does he go to a finger clip? Maybe, and it's possible, but 100% security is an issue for me.

Note that I am not seeking answers from anyone who owns the download or DVD, only discussing my thought process and minor frustration at being no closer to an answer after playing around for several weeks. I do not want to drop $35.00 on the product; it just isn't worth it to me. But I am having a great time trying to figure out a method that matches the movement in the video demo. That said, if anyone has hints or suggestions - and again, not answers from owners of the product - I'd love to hear them.   
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In the Primary Movement demo I'm wondering, "How did he get into Purse Palm so quickly and without visible movement or misdirection?!"

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I wondered the same thing. Looks good!

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Having purchased the DVD, all I can say is: Benjamin’s deep insight about the psychological/misdirection aspects of this … much more than the actual moves … makes it a true miracle. 


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I wondered the same thing. Looks good!

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Yes, it does. I can get there, but not consistently, which is the real trick! I can also get into a second/third finger clip, but it isn't secure.

Ah well. I'll keep working on it.

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I keep trying to stress that Benjamin’s many subtle touches are what makes this effect so magical.  They are small, almost insignificant details, but with all of them working together, it raises the level of this trick considerably.  

 In my humble opinion, doing the same moves … but without any of the above-mentioned subtleties … will make this effect seem pretty ordinary, and won’t generate the spectator amazement and incredulity he gets from his performances.


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I completely agree with Arthur.

Also, I do kind of wonder about the ethics and logic of working so hard to figure out an effect that just isn’t worth the money to you?
Is primary moment something you’d like to perform Anthony? If so, I’d suggest it’s worth picking up the dvd when you can. For all the reasons Arthur mentioned.
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I completely agree with Arthur. Also, I do kind of wonder about the ethics and logic of working so hard to figure out an effect that just isn’t worth the money to you? Is primary moment something you’d like to perform Anthony? If so, I’d suggest it’s worth picking up the dvd when you can. For all the reasons Arthur mentioned.


I think you misunderstand me. If so it's certainly my fault for not being clearer.

I am fascinated with the mechanics of getting from the steal to Purse Palm as it is depicted in the video. Fascination need not be supported by logic. And since that is the only thing that intrigues me about the product, it is not worth the expenditure.

No, I won't appropriate the routine and perform it. If that were my intent I assure you that I would feel obligated to purchase the product. I simply enjoy the challenge of trying to figure these things out on my own. Once I get it, I'll move onto to something else, and so on. It's how I am wired. If you read my post from earlier today you will see that I was only sharing my thought process and seeking insight, not answers.

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I don't know about his particular effect, but am REALLY fascinated by purse palm. I've been thinking about it just this morning, and then I saw this discussion. Seems like a sign to me :-).

I first became fascinated with the purse palm after watching this video a few years ago -


I have tried to get good at purse palm but not been able to make it work for me. On the other hand, if I'd spent even a fraction of the time I have spent working on Tenkai/Goshman, that might be a different story :-).

With that in mind, I am going to revisit purse palm and get a similar coins across routine (like Jose's ) going. I find that whether it be cards or coins, something that happens in the spectator's hands is typically more powerful in terms of reactions.
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Ken, have you looked into Derek Dingle's Silver Quick? It's similar to the routine you posted and quite accessible. It's in Derek Dingle's Complete Works, and one of the first year's issues of Apocalypse.

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