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KenTheriot

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I know this is just a flourish, but I'd really like to be able to do this I've been trying for quite awhile (off and on for 3 years +) and still can't manage it.

I made a quick video of it. But the main problem is this - the cards end up criss-crossing some going horizontal some going vertical, etc. If I move my hands apart, I can't even get catch the cards - the spray every which way.

Does anyone have any tips on how I can get this right? It seems like it should be so simple.

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The cards need to be "soft," that is, you have to take the deck and squeeze it in your hand the way you are doing it on the video. Do it several times and when the deck is "soft" then it is ready to be sprung. The deck you used on the video seems to be hard, that is why you have difficulty with this flourish. Soften it by squeezing it several times (100 times at least I would say, do it more times if it is still not soft). I think you can do it with the deck face up and then face down. 

Once you have done it, then you can try again what you are doing on the video. It should be easier that way. 

I think the quality of the cards also matters. You seem to be using a NOC deck and from what I remember those cards are a little stiffer than bikes. Try using another deck brand. Also it works better with an older deck but it still has to be in good condition (not dirty or cards sticking to one another).

While you learn and practice this flourish, the hand that holds the deck and springs the cards will hurt. This is normal while it gets used to the action. With time and practice the flourish will become better and better and the hand will not hurt anymore.

I hope this helps...

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I think the previous poster is right that working with a softer deck might be helpful to you in acquiring the knack. Work the deck a lot to soften it or start out with something like the Bicycle Elite cards from Penguin, which are on a thinner stock, while you get a feel for how a smooth, orderly spring feels. Once the knack is acquired, softer cards will still be better but you'll be able to manage a passable spring with stiff cards as well.

Part of it's just doing it enough to build up those particular hand muscles.

On distance: A longer spring looks better, but only if it can be done neatly. Pull your hands no farther apart than can be done without losing any cards or letting things get crosswise. It might just be a couple inches to start. Increase the distance gradually, moving your hands farther apart as you're able.

Experiment with pressures. You get different springs based on where you position your thumb along the back end and whether the cards are shooting off of your fingers or thumb.

It's pretty and establishes some credibility right off the bat, but I don't find it to be a very useful maneuver on the whole.

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The way the cards sprung in groups might be strength. Try different positions in the holding of the deck. Deep in the hand, at the fingertips and in between.  Everyone's hand is a  little different, what may work in written instruction works for the author, it might not for you.  Having small hands, I usually have to do something a little different than the way the moves are written and described.
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In addition to the suggestions in the previous answers, here you have another one that worked (at least) for me

Consider to squeeze the deck slightly in diagonal, in my case I do that between my thumb and my ring finger.

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KenTheriot

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Thanks for those great suggestions. Thins are already improved!
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If you want a smooth spring, you want to have a consistent and steady pressure. This will also serve you well if you do lepaul spreads or antifaros.
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what works for me.  Is I hold the card differently.  I apply pressure from  upper corner (right side) to lower corner (left side)  My thumb simply rests at the lower corner my first and second finger kind of nest that upper corner.  the pinky and the finger next to it are not used.  The deck is almost at an angle sort of.  The receiving hand the fingers form a lose cage.  And apply even pressure until the cards start to flow.

I don't know if that is technically right or wrong. but it works for me.

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Thanks!

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Ken,

Not sure if it has been mentioned but the receiving hand should not be quite so level with the plane of the floor.

Experiment with angles to find where the cards land in a more uniform assembly.

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