Sign up Latest Topics Chat
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #1 

I said I wouldn’t, but I did. Collecting coinage: raiding the change jar; plucking pennies, nickels, and dimes from among the pet hair and food crumbs accumulated beneath the couch cushions; cleaning out the coins from the center console of the truck… I easily managed to collate and roll enough to equal the price of the book and placed my order. Of course, they wouldn’t take rolled coins as payment over the internet, but that’s okay. I justified making the purchase, and that’s all that matters. Visa will bill me.

My copy of The Magic Rainbow arrived today, and being self-employed on a blustery, rainy afternoon, I boiled water, made a nice cup of herbal tea, and cracked the cover. Wow. Just wow. This book will be praised by many, dismissed by many, and actually read by a few.

Paging my way through the first several chapters, I found myself stopping frequently to consider the words, the thoughts, the emotions expressed. This is not an easy book to read. It is a book to be savored and considered and ruminated over. It is filled with metaphor and imagery and allusion. It references classical mythology, philosophy, and religion. It places the magician in the position of questioning his (or her) reason and purpose for performing. It places emphasis on magic as art and invites those who dare to consider elevating their own magic to the level of art. How? Well, I am only a few chapters in so far, and while I cannot yet – or perhaps ever – answer that question, I am intrigued at the possibilities. The real question is this: Do I have the courage?

I post this now not as a review or book report, but rather in the hopes that others on the forum who find themselves moved by the material might join in this conversation. Sr. Tamariz invites us to be more than simply entertainers, though he rightly points out there’s nothing wrong with having fun and entertaining, but he does ask if that’s enough. This statement, from the book, is echoing around the corridors of my mind: “The more emotion there is in magic, the stronger the magic is.” How much of myself do I pour into my performance? Not enough. And not something I have thought enough about. That’s a good start. We’ll see where it goes from here.

To reiterate, this is not an easy book to read. It isn't for everyone. That's cool. Please jump in if you have the book, have ordered the book, and when you begin reading the book. Perhaps we can explore together?

Av

0
Rudy Tinoco

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,191
Reply with quote  #2 
Great post, Anthony! I love the way you put your emotions into words.

I bought this book from Rafael Benatar and it's making it's way to my home. You have made me so glad that I made the purchase. 

I'll be sure to come back to this thread when I've received it and had the opportunity to read some of it. I can hardly wait!

Rudy


__________________
http://www.facebook.com/magicrudy
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
arthur stead

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 590
Reply with quote  #3 
Anthony, your intriguing post about The Magic Rainbow inspired me to research this book, and seriously tempted me to buy it. 

Will let you know if and when I do ...

__________________
http://www.arthurstead.com
0
Chi Han

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,040
Reply with quote  #4 
What a coincidence, this came in for me yesterday!

It'll be a while before I get to it though! Still making my way through Scripting Magic volume 2!

Attached Images
Click image for larger version - Name: 15506489303181139423749.jpg, Views: 6, Size: 239.39 KB 

0
Axel

Avatar / Picture

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 237
Reply with quote  #5 
Hi my friends,

mine came in last saturday! Few days before I received two Vernon books from Steven while working through Solomons Mind and Solomons Secrets!...but that didn´t keep me from starting reading about the Magic Rainbow:

That´s a really new experience for me because it has been a long time since I had to pick up a dictionary to keep following what is written, meant and thought in a magic book! but I really enjoy this, I think Rafael Benatar did a superb job with his translation (as far as I can judge it!)...I think it will take some time for me working through this convolutious monument!


PS: Hi Chi Han...Scripting Magic is also on my WTB/WT-read-list! really liked this first volume!

Greetings from Germany,

Axel
0
Mike Powers

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,675
Reply with quote  #6 
I got a deal on the Tamariz book by buying 7 books. I have two left at a good price. PM me if interested.

Mike
0
Gareth

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 797
Reply with quote  #7 
Ordered mine today. Can't wait. I look forward to discussing with you guys. Thanks Anthony.

G
0
Rudy Tinoco

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,191
Reply with quote  #8 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
Ordered mine today. Can't wait. I look forward to discussing with you guys.

G


My copy was just shipped out today. I’m also looking forward to discussing it with you all.

Rudy

__________________
http://www.facebook.com/magicrudy
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
arthur stead

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 590
Reply with quote  #9 

Just curious:  On this forum as well as on the green monster, several folks have described the book as “not easy to read.” 

What exactly are they talking about?  Is it too intellectual?  Language too sophisticated?  Hard to comprehend the concepts?

Would appreciate insight from those who have started reading it …


__________________
http://www.arthurstead.com
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arthur stead
Just curious:  On this forum as well as on the green monster, several folks have described the book as “not easy to read.” 

What exactly are they talking about?  Is it too intellectual?  Language too sophisticated?  Hard to comprehend the concepts?

Would appreciate insight from those who have started reading it …



I think I made a decent pass at answering your question, if you go back and reread the third paragraph of my original post. This book is written, I am guessing, at a second or third year college level. It will challenge you, and may, as Axel noted, send you searching for that dictionary that's around here somewhere... Or your copy of Brewers's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable.

Just last night I read and then reread the chapter titled,Dream, Magic, Reality. The chapter opens with a poem. A two-page poem, written by Sr. Tamariz, that requires close-reading to fully understand. The poem leads directly into the chapter cited, and probably those after. If you do not care for or appreciate poetry, you might decide to skip it. That would be a mistake.

The reader is asked to think about questions perhaps never before seriously considered. Deep questions related to how one perceives oneself as a magician. Are you a performer, or are you an artist? The difference is subtle, but critical. I find myself rereading passages, not because I do not understand them, but because I want to better understand. If that makes sense.

A few years back I read Yavhal Noah Hari's, Sapiens. It took me six months to get through, and for many of the same reasons I find The Magic Rainbow challenging. Both books are written at a scholarly level, for a limited audience, and inspire deep thinking about important subjects. Well, at least magic is an important subject to some of us, right?

Hope this helps, Arthur. If not, I will add to this thread as I read merrily along. I am certain that I will have lots more to say. And I am anxious to hear from others who have started the book.       

Av

0
magicfish

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 1,326
Reply with quote  #11 
Just unwrapping mine now.

Attached Images
Click image for larger version - Name: 20190305_131802.jpg, Views: 7, Size: 224.17 KB 

0
Rudy Tinoco

Founding Member
Registered:
Posts: 4,191
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Vinson


I think I made a decent pass at answering your question, if you go back and reread the third paragraph of my original post. This book is written, I am guessing, at a second or third year college level. It will challenge you, and may, as Axel noted, send you searching for that dictionary that's around here somewhere...


Agree. I’ve actually been having a difficult time making my way through the first few chapters. At one point there is a sentence about “penises with eyes”.

What does that mean? It’s a poetic reference toward something that I’ve not yet experienced (nor do I want to). I’m pressing through and trusting that there are some great insights to be learned from this master of the art of magic. Just not seeing it yet.

Rudy

__________________
http://www.facebook.com/magicrudy
http://www.facebook.com/themagiciansforum
0
Chi Han

Honored Member
Registered:
Posts: 1,040
Reply with quote  #13 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony Vinson


I think I made a decent pass at answering your question, if you go back and reread the third paragraph of my original post. This book is written, I am guessing, at a second or third year college level. It will challenge you, and may, as Axel noted, send you searching for that dictionary that's around here somewhere... Or your copy of Brewers's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable.

Just last night I read and then reread the chapter titled,Dream, Magic, Reality. The chapter opens with a poem. A two-page poem, written by Sr. Tamariz, that requires close-reading to fully understand. The poem leads directly into the chapter cited, and probably those after. If you do not care for or appreciate poetry, you might decide to skip it. That would be a mistake.

The reader is asked to think about questions perhaps never before seriously considered. Deep questions related to how one perceives oneself as a magician. Are you a performer, or are you an artist? The difference is subtle, but critical. I find myself rereading passages, not because I do not understand them, but because I want to better understand. If that makes sense.

A few years back I read Yavhal Noah Hari's, Sapiens. It took me six months to get through, and for many of the same reasons I find The Magic Rainbow challenging. Both books are written at a scholarly level, for a limited audience, and inspire deep thinking about important subjects. Well, at least magic is an important subject to some of us, right?

Hope this helps, Arthur. If not, I will add to this thread as I read merrily along. I am certain that I will have lots more to say. And I am anxious to hear from others who have started the book.       

Av


Very keen analysis. I've found that the longer I go the more I've had to sit and think about what has been written, and wrestle with my own experiences of the concepts being conveyed. I've started to get to his more 'practical' ideas for enhancing effect and manipulating memory, but while I understand the techniques, his reasoning and motivation for using them feel both too simplistic and too complex at the same time, which makes me think I don't fully understand the concepts, which leads me to reread the passages, which leads me to reassess and analyze everything, which means that I'm going to be wrestling with this book for a while. What a joy!
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #14 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rudy Tinoco


Agree. I’ve actually been having a difficult time making my way through the first few chapters. At one point there is a sentence about “penises with eyes”.

What does that mean? It’s a poetic reference toward something that I’ve not yet experienced (nor do I want to). I’m pressing through and trusting that there are some great insights to be learned from this master of the art of magic. Just not seeing it yet.

Rudy


Yeah... that one takes some introspection! Instead of providing my analysis right now, let me recommend going back and rereading it in larger context. Perhaps some of us can discuss our personal thoughts at some point in the near future? 

I read and reread the section in Chapter One titled, Magic Is Only For Children, last night. Then I read it aloud to my wife. Then I read it to myself a third time. Since then I haven't opened the book. It's too much to think about. Too much to consider. Too much to absorb, without time and thought. Even my wife was impressed with the depth of the writing and thinking.

I think that once we're through the book that we will be better magicians. After several readings, who knows?!

Av 
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #15 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chi Han


Very keen analysis. I've found that the longer I go the more I've had to sit and think about what has been written, and wrestle with my own experiences of the concepts being conveyed. I've started to get to his more 'practical' ideas for enhancing effect and manipulating memory, but while I understand the techniques, his reasoning and motivation for using them feel both too simplistic and too complex at the same time, which makes me think I don't fully understand the concepts, which leads me to reread the passages, which leads me to reassess and analyze everything, which means that I'm going to be wrestling with this book for a while. What a joy!


I agree! I won't be finishing this one for awhile, and frankly I am in no hurry. I feel that I am learning so much, but processing what I am learning will take time. Let's discuss the book soon - perhaps it's time to reinstitute the book club?

Every time I sit down to practice now I find myself asking, "What's the effect? What's the spectator experiencing? And how do I enhance and intensify their experience?

Glad to hear it's having a positive impact!

Av
0
Gareth

Inner Circle
Registered:
Posts: 797
Reply with quote  #16 
Hi all. Early thoughts.

I've learned over time to enjoy simplicity. Simplicity in message and substance, not necessarily in style, Mr. Writer by all means, deliver that message in whatever style is yours.

I've read and re-read the first 25 or so pages. 

So far I've read one man's exuberant, flamboyant, raw, and honest conveyance of what magic is to him. As simple as that. What magic is to him. What's more, that man has lived, breathed and no doubt slept magic for 70+ years. I think it's beautiful, and a priviledge to read. It's delivered in a wonderfully colourful, evocative and at times provocative manner, no doubt.

That initial passage regarding the castle-palace, made me feel like that first time I read Chronicles of Narnia, or watched Star-Wars or any well woven fairy-tale, journeys into fantasyland where suspension of disbelief means ANYTHING can happen, at ANY moment. That is what our time in Magicdom could and maybe should feel like, Custodians of Mystery. 

I want to create that feeling for people. 

I've not felt that raw energy in written word often, much less so in magic in recent times.

As magicians we can lose that sense of wonder, easily. I think one of the first challenges Sr Tamariz has for us is to keep that alive. Vibrantly and colourfully alive. To consider it every aspect of our show, performance, effect, our art.

Damn, that all sounds very pretentious. I don't mean it to. Cut back to the quick, reserve above most everything else, that Mystery, that Fantasy.

Again I'm only 25 or so pages in. I plan to read it through and glean the simplest messages I can. Not to overcomplicate. I think that pit-fall maybe an easy one to fall into with this work. Then over time, a long time, I'll dissect if I want to.

I'm going to try and enjoy the ride, enjoy the delivery but take to heart the simple message that is within.

Gareth

PS. I'm all for book-clubbing this, but no idea how.  


0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #17 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gareth
 
I've read and re-read the first 25 or so pages. 
 
That initial passage regarding the castle-palace, made me feel like that first time I read Chronicles of Narnia, or watched Star-Wars or any well woven fairy-tale, journeys into fantasyland where suspension of disbelief means ANYTHING can happen, at ANY moment. That is what our time in Magicdom could and maybe should feel like, Custodians of Mystery. 

I want to create that feeling for people. 

I've not felt that raw energy in written word often, much less so in magic in recent times.

As magicians we can lose that sense of wonder, easily. I think one of the first challenges Sr Tamariz has for us is to keep that alive. Vibrantly and colourfully alive. To consider it every aspect of our show, performance, effect, our art.

Damn, that all sounds very pretentious. I don't mean it to. Cut back to the quick, reserve above most everything else, that Mystery, that Fantasy.
 

PS. I'm all for book-clubbing this, but no idea how.  




Well said, Gareth. I agree with what you've written. I, too, want to create that feeling for people. 

I was particularly moved when Sr. Tamariz wrote, "...the first requirement is that the magician believes in his magic as art, and tries to express himself though it." Just damn.

As you wrote, Gareth, we often lose our ability to "see the magic" as we learn the secrets. Sr. Tamariz admonishes us to work our way back to that former childlike state when we believed in magic, and to transcend that state, elevating our passion to art, and ourselves to artists expressing our true selves through the medium of magic. 

The book will put some off and disappoint others. For some of us though, it is going to inspire us to question our motives, examine our purpose with magic, and fight to let free the artist within. How cool would that be?

As for book-clubbing? I think we've got a good start here. We can expand as we get deeper into the material. Perhaps get together online and share routines we're revisiting based on what we've read and our answers to the questions posed by Sr. Tamariz?

Av
0
Bryce

Member
Registered:
Posts: 2
Reply with quote  #18 
Hey everyone,

This book has sparked my interest in reading Tamariz’s works. For everyone that has read this, does this cover similar material to his book “The Magic Way”? It seems like the two might cover similar topic areas?

As someone who has never read any of Tamariz’s works, I’m very curious to hear everyone’s recommendation on where to start. Should this book be read in place of “The Magic Way”, or in addition to? And, if both books should be read, where is the best place to start?
0
Anthony Vinson

Avatar / Picture

Honored Member - Moderator
Registered:
Posts: 2,064
Reply with quote  #19 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryce
Hey everyone,

This book has sparked my interest in reading Tamariz’s works. For everyone that has read this, does this cover similar material to his book “The Magic Way”? It seems like the two might cover similar topic areas?

As someone who has never read any of Tamariz’s works, I’m very curious to hear everyone’s recommendation on where to start. Should this book be read in place of “The Magic Way”, or in addition to? And, if both books should be read, where is the best place to start?


Hey, Bryce, and welcome to The Magic Forum. 

Both The Five Points in Magic and The Magic Way are related to The Magic Rainbow. They are, I believe, considered a trilogy encompassing Sr Tamariz's philosophy of magic from soup to nuts. The Magic Way leads directly to The Magic Rainbow, so in effect the first is an introduction to the second.

While I have not yet finished The Magic Rainbow - slow, easily digestible bites for me - I have read both The Five Points in Magic and The Magic Way several times each. While doing so is not a requirement before cracking open The Magic Rainbow, reading The Magic Way first is recommended. 

To your question: While The Magic Rainbow does reiterate some of the points in The Magic Way, it does not repeat them. Instead it expands upon them. 

Hope this helps. 

Av
0
Bryce

Member
Registered:
Posts: 2
Reply with quote  #20 
Hey Anthony,

Wow, thank you so much for the thorough and detailed response! I’ve been searching all over reading reviews, but have been struggling to find much that directly compared his books. This is incredibly helpful and exactly the information that I was looking for!

Looks like I’ll be starting with The Magic Way!

Thank you again!
0
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.