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I just love the card magic of Nick Trost. Devastating effects done simply! I was performing 8 card brainwave this week and thought of a neat alternative to the effect.

On the backs of all the red backed cards, I wrote "YOUR CARD" in large block letters. The blue backed cards feature no text.  The cards are then arranged B,R,B,R,B,R,B,R  from bottom to top in a face up pile. The 4 blue backed cards are black face cards, and the 4 red backed cards are red face cards. All different from one another. This provides a rather easy visual reference that your cards are ordered correctly.

As opposed to Trost's totally open selection, use an equivoque to force the selection of the red group. From there which red card they desire is a genuine free choice. It's at this time that I would use the olram subtly (or flustration count) as per usual but upon concluding it square up and turn the entire packet face down and place it on the table. this leaves the back that is different to theirs showing. The idea here is this will reinforce the fact that their card is of a different color in the same visual space and thus strengthen the reveal. You then reveal their card with the different color back as well as large block letter text.

This has generated way bigger reactions for me, likely on account of the increased visual value. You get the indifferent color reveal and the text is completely unexpected. The original prediction plot of the effect remains intact but the concealment of the red backs is taken advantage of to a further degree is my thinking. 

I thought I'd share this with all of you in the hopes for your feedback and thoughts.

Cheers.  

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I just love the card magic of Nick Trost. Devastating effects done simply! I was performing 8 card brainwave this week and thought of a neat alternative to the effect.

On the backs of all the red backed cards, I wrote "YOUR CARD" in large block letters. The blue backed cards feature no text.  The cards are then arranged B,R,B,R,B,R,B,R  from bottom to top in a face up pile. The 4 blue backed cards are black face cards, and the 4 red backed cards are red face cards. All different from one another. This provides a rather easy visual reference that your cards are ordered correctly.

As opposed to Trost's totally open selection, use an equivoque to force the selection of the red group. From there which red card they desire is a genuine free choice. It's at this time that I would use the olram subtly (or flustration count) as per usual but upon concluding it square up and turn the entire packet face down and place it on the table. this leaves the back that is different to theirs showing. The idea here is this will reinforce the fact that their card is of a different color in the same visual space and thus strengthen the reveal. You then reveal their card with the different color back as well as large block letter text.

This has generated way bigger reactions for me, likely on account of the increased visual value. You get the indifferent color reveal and the text is completely unexpected. The original prediction plot of the effect remains intact but the concealment of the red backs is taken advantage of to a further degree is my thinking. 

I thought I'd share this with all of you in the hopes for your feedback and thoughts.

Cheers.  



I just bumped into this as I was roaming around the forum. I've never given Trost's "8 Card Brainwave" a try. I remember learning it on one of Ammar's tapes. 

You've inspired me to give it a try. Thanks for sharing this with us!

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Excellent item. This was formerly a dealer item as I recall.

Also, it lends itself to many interesting variations. The method remains the same i.e. Olram but the faces or backs can vary. There can be writing on blank faces etc. 

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Rick Lax recently did a variation on it where he wrote different things on the faces of the cards ("You will pick this card", "You won't pick this one", etc) and then an "X" on the alternate backs. Through "psychological forcing" he proved he knew which card they'd choose based on the mark either being the only one in the deck or the other cards all being marked but the chosen one wasn't. It's a nice take on the effect as well.
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Daryl also did some work on this so he could End Cleeeeean, as he likes to say. He calls it "Brainwave 2000" from his New Millenium World Tour lecture. It extends the trick and gives it a few more moments of magic. Some say it's too much work just to end clean, but I like it. Tough to find, though...the lecture is still only on VHS, but there may be notes available.

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There is also a marketed packet trick called "What's Mine is Mine" ... the effect is similar but the method is totally different.  The volunteer has a free choice of cards from a packet of about 8 cards.  The card they choose is shown to have "Yours" written on its face, and all the others are openly and cleanly and simultaneously shown to have "Mine" written on them.  Unfortunately my set of cards was damaged in an orange juice incident so I had to ditch them, but it was a nice packet trick to carry around: quick, easy and effective.

The trick is produced by Paul Richards.
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I have always liked the 8 card Brainwave.  However, I haven't really performed it since acquiring the Brainwave Deck a few years ago. To my way of thinking, an effect in which a spectator names one card out of 52 and it turns out to be not only the only card face up in a boxed deck, but also has a different colored back than the other (apparently) 51 cards, is far stronger than an effect in which one selection out of 8 already face-up choices turns out to have a different color back than the other 7 cards.

The 8 card Brainwave is admittedly a strong trick, and it is not my intention to put it down or to try to discourage anyone from using it.  But in my humble opinion, the Brainwave Deck effect is a miracle.  My choice of performance material is primarily dictated by spectator reaction, and I have found that Brainwave deck routine consistently receives significantly stronger audience reactions than those I used to get for the 8 card Brainwave.

And, as surprising as it might seem, I have never had a single spectator ask to examine the deck or suggest that trick cards were being used.  I don't know why that is - perhaps they are just too stunned...
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Oathsworn,

To negate the need for the force, you can use the time-tested "This/That" system, or something similar. Write "This" on half of the cards of matching backs and "That" on the other cards. After a completely free selection is made and placed face-up on the table, remark that you knew they would pick this card or that card, depending upon their choice. Re-emphasize the this or that title: "You freely selected THIS card....I was sure you would pick THIS card....Was there something special about THIS card...etc. Tell them you can prove it. Show the cards in your hand all have THAT while their card has THIS, or vice-versa as needed. Using different color printing or types of writing on different backs can bring about the visual difference you are looking for.
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Nick Trost was a genius with package tricks, and 8 Card Brainwave is a truly clever gem.

I first learned it from Michael Ammar's Easy to Master Card Miracles video series.  Ammar himself has posted a clip of him performing the effect on youtube here:



There are some terrific ideas in this thread, thanks all for sharing.  

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I actually came across Al Cohen's marketed "Dots Impossible" Before I came across "8  Card Brainwave". Same method, though Al's routine used 6 cards with red and black spots on. 

I used to do it a lot with business cards (three had an X on the back) and one is selected by laying a pen on the back. I remember showing this to Bill Severn on my first trip to New York in 1982. Think this idea appeared in Jerry Mentzer's packet trick book.  I usually used it as a little warm up before revealing the name of someone's friend and favorite color - which they'd written on another card conveniently placed in my peek wallet that all the business cards came from. 

In the past few years I've used smiley faces and sad faces for kids when entertaining them in the restaurant. 

Last year Peter Arcane marketed a version where cards had sins/temptations printed on them with a suitable presentation story. 

'What's Mine is Mine" mentioned by Robin is something I've also used , fun presentation and different more direct method of predicting one card in a packet. 

Of course, my own "Fortune" force method shouldn't be overlooked when it comes to having predicted one card in a packet. It has served me well many times over the years in different routines, a real workhorse. The original routine and description can be found in "Small But Deadly" . That plus other ideas with it can be found on the "Fortune" DVD and there will be a couple of newer applications for it in my  next book. [wink]
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Interestingly enough, I really don't perform this. And yet, growing up, one of my favorite only tricks was called Russian Roulette. You showed six cards. They were dealt face down on a table or spread in the hand. You had somebody pick one and....

A. They picked the only bullet card.
B. They picked the only gun card.

And you make them either win or lose despite the selection on how you explained it.

Ex: they picked bullet
A. You win because instead of picking one of the loaded guns, you picked the bullet only.
A. You lose because instead of picking one of the empty guns you picked the one with the bullet.
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By the way, if someone had a copy of Russian Roulette laying in your drawer collecting dust, let me know. The guns and bullets were hot foil stamped on the cards. I think one of the colors was blue.
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Interestingly enough, I really don't perform this. And yet, growing up, one of my favorite only tricks was called Russian Roulette. You showed six cards. They were dealt face down on a table or spread in the hand. You had somebody pick one and.... A. They picked the only bullet card. B. They picked the only gun card. And you make them either win or lose despite the selection on how you explained it. Ex: they picked bullet A. You win because instead of picking one of the loaded guns, you picked the bullet only. A. You lose because instead of picking one of the empty guns you picked the one with the bullet.


That's interesting, not come across that one, but there was another Russian Roulette packet trick I once had (Japanese I think) that was based on a George Sands mathematical principle. 
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