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arthur stead

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I’m not a “Marlo-ite”, but I’ve noticed that TMF members rarely speak of, or describe routines by Ed Marlo. 

Any reason why?


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I like Marlo but I would not say I am a hardcore "Marlo-ite." I do several things I have learned from his books and videos by others based on his work. I often re-read the faro notes to remind me of some effects within that book. 

Among the things I do are: 

The spade routine (not all of it)
The matching routine (the one taught by Mike Close in his Devious 2 DVD)
The automatic placement control and then reveal the card in different ways
From faro notes: 76-76-67-67, different ways to lose and find the aces, etc.

These are just some of the things off the top of my head. There are some others that I can't recall right now. I will check and expand my list...

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I love Marlo.  I think Trini is probably the biggest marlo-ite on here though.
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There area handful of magicians whose names don't appear often, yet their contribution to magic has been important in different contexts. The common denominator is that all of them developed and presented GREAT magic.
To name a few:
Don Alan
Jerry Andrus
Alan Wakeling
Doug Edwards
Ken Krenzel

...names keep popping into my head as I write, but I'll leave this list just as a reminder that these magicians are due a mention every now and then.

I was browsing through ,"Doug Edwards Packs a Wallop" at Dave's Killer Magic Shop today. Some of his palming techniques are just plain ingenious!
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Haven’t heard from Trini for a while have we? Miss his insights and knowledge. He is a real Marlo man. Mike spent sometime with the man himself too and of course Harry.
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I've read quite a bit of Marlo over the years - Jon Racherbaumer used to have a subscription-style website with access to lots of Marlo's material.

From my own perspective, I just couldn't get excited about his work. To my mind, I just didn't perceive the majority of his plots commercial enough.

Added to which I got bored of the constant variations on a theme Marlo would cover - all achieving the same end result.

That's not saying I expect others to have the same opinion - but for me personally, I just couldn't 'get into' either his offerings; nor indeed the pretty mundane writing style. As Arthur's initial post alludes to, you do not see many guys talking about, nor demonstrating, Marlo material. Or I certainly haven't, here in the UK. Maybe, there are people that have a similar view to mine?

The same can be said about Roy Walton. Many guys this side of the pond bestow a 'god-like' opinion of him. Personally, I disliked his books - the majority of the content appearing to rely upon large set-ups/pre-arrangements and/or the half-pass every other trick.

Give me Harry Lorayne every time!

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I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I gained a new appreciation for the "performability" of Marlo's work from the "Malone Meets Marlo" DVD set.
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I've mentioned this elsewhere, but I gained a new appreciation for the "performability" of Marlo's work from the "Malone Meets Marlo" DVD set.


Completely agree Robin. I only have the last one but use Visual Transposition Part 2 and Immediate Bottom deal all the time.
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I would think it is simply because Ed Marlo died 27 years ago, so not in the magic news, no new books or DVD's. Newer/younger magicians don't have access to his materials or see him working to be inspired by his work. 

BTW a good DVD set is "Ed Marlo - Its All In The Cards" produced by David Solomon which has a number of 'names' demonstrating Marlo or Marlo inspired routines plus old footage of Marlo performing. 




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I like Marlo's Bluff Ace Assembly and a trick from The Cardician that i can't remember the name of. Five cards are face down on the table and someone looks at one and you put them face down in the face up deck and spread the deck and the only face down one left is their card.

Marlo has a ton of stuff in print. 

So does Harry Lorayne, and his stuff is more fun.
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As mentioned, the Malone DVDs of Marlo material are a great source of excellent material from Marlo. Racherbaumer is another great source of both Marlo material and Marlo influenced material.

A lot of Ed's legacy are the tools he either created or refined. TILT and ATFUS come to mind immediately. Of course TILT and the Vernon "Depth Illusion" always raise "paternity" issues. The Spades book, Marlo Without Tears and The Cardician are sources of some great stuff. Revolutionary Card Technique is loaded with excellent moves and ideas.

Marlo is not noted for inventing plots but I believe Oil and Water and Devilish Miracle are his "brainchildren." He often came up with excellent variations of other people's plots. 

Also, his influence on Aronson, Solomon, Draun, Wakeman, England, Malone, Ackerman and myself is evident in the work of the listed creators and many others as well.

Another potential problem with getting into Marlo material is that he had a huge toolbox and often used sophisticated tools when he created routines. There are many self-working and/or easy items in his oeuvre (the channel Rackerbaumner). But he wouldn't hesitate to use his vast toolbox when needed.

But as mentioned by others, the Malone DVD's on Marlo are perhaps the best answer to the question at hand.

Mike


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That's how i learned the bluff ace assembly, from a Bill Malone dvd
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Would you fellas say Marlo's creations are primarily for fooling magicians, as opposed to entertaining lay audiences?
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Here's a trick I've always enjoyed and is not knuckle busting...




I've also like/use his Simple Shift from Revolutionary Card Technique to set up Miracle Aces/Estimation Aces.

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Hi Arthur,

Malone can do some of the very difficult Marlo items. That impresses magicians.

But if you check out the Malone on Marlo DVDs, you'll find a load of items geared for a lay audience. 

I had the privilege of seeing Ed perform for lay people on a couple of occasions. He was very likable and funny. They really enjoyed him.

Also, to the extent that gambling demo stuff is entertaining to a lay audience (and i think that it is), Marlo could kill. 

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Here's a trick I've always enjoyed and is not knuckle busting...




I've also like/use his Simple Shift from Revolutionary Card Technique to set up Miracle Aces/Estimation Aces.


Now that's slick! Enjoyed watching, so thanks for sharing.

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Would you fellas say Marlo's creations are primarily for fooling magicians, as opposed to entertaining lay audiences?


That's not been my experience.
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I'll second what Robin and Mike said about the Malone DVD set of Marlo magic.  For a taste, Bill did a live lecture and showed a bunch of nice Marlo effects.  Can't remember if it was Penguin or At the Table.
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Originally Posted by Tom G
I'll second what Robin and Mike said about the Malone DVD set of Marlo magic.  For a taste, Bill did a live lecture and showed a bunch of nice Marlo effects.  Can't remember if it was Penguin or At the Table.


Penguin, I don't think he has an at the table
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