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Anthony Vinson

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Admittedly I am a middle age white male, a Baby Boomer to boot, so my view on these issues is somewhat skewed, but it seems to me that there are multiple layers requiring careful examination here...

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Dave Berkompas

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Did the guy screw up the trick? Video cut off before it seemed to be over.



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It appeared that he was performing Martin Lewis's Cardiagraphic, so no, he didn't screw it up. Instead the video stopped just as he was about to head into the resolution.

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Is it considered too PC to be offended by a male magician who gets a woman to touch him and then makes sexual comments about it in front of a large group?  I think not.

That having been said, I definitely am noting that many college students seem overly "offendable." What happened to real free speech at Berkeley, the epicenter of the free speech movement in the '60s? I find Ann Coulter offensive, but I wouldn't ban her from speaking at a college. 

But this magician is totally out of line IMO. The idea of "just roll with it" applies to many things. But not this one IMO. And whether or not he gets called out, this sort of stuff is bad for magic. Let's get away from the old lines like "I hate it when a woman says to stop" what low grade crap those sort of lines are.

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What I'm wondering is, who hired him and did they properly vet the act? If they hired a comedy club magician, then they got what they paid for. And I take no blame away from Andy Gross, who should have been able to size up the audience and the mood of the room and then adjust his act accordingly. As I said, and in my opinion, there are multiple layers here, each of which is important to consider.

There's an excellent book out by a psychologist who has studied what she calls the iGen; those born since 1996 and who have never know life without screens and the internet. Her conclusion has rather frightening implications for the future. 

I also recall Michael Finny being berated a few years back after a performance at the Magic Castle. Again, a comedy club magician called to task for performing his well-established and potentially offensive act.

I agree with Mike's call to get rid of the old misogynistic and homophobic stock lines. We can do better. And we should.

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That kind of stuff should happen in a magic act, gives magic a bad name. Eric Dittelman last night on Pen and Teller I thought was out of line also. 
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Meant to say shouldn't happen in a magic act.
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Hmm... Dittelman's act struck me an witty without being salacious. He got close, but stayed on the right side of the line. At least I thought so. 

I was thinking earlier today about watching Bob Sheets perform the old Baffling Bra trick back in the 80s. It was Bob, it was the 80s, and there was alcohol, so the trick went over well. He also did his version of Heba Haba Al's sugar cube trick - the one where a spectators initials end up in all sorts of strange places. To end the act, Bob would lean in and sotto voce explain to the (female) spectator that if she were to head for the bathroom and take a peek beneath her underwear that'd she'd find her initials in a couple of private places. Gales of laughter followed. While the bra trick is certainly out of bounds today, I wonder if Bob still performs the sugar cube trick the same way, and if so how it goes over.

Copperfield was also able to get away with certain bits involving female spectators back in the 80s and 90s. While I have not seen his show in decades, I wonder if he still gets flirtatious with the ladies?

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Admittedly I am a middle age white male, a Baby Boomer to boot, so my view on these issues is somewhat skewed...…….

Don't beat yourself up, Anthony. You have a valid point of view. Nothing skewed about it all.
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Saying something like "I got a free feel out of it" is really childish and demeaning to the woman involved. The guy said he was sorry that people were offended, but never that he himself is offensive.
Somewhere else on the forum there is a conversation about the image of magicians. This continues to bring it down.
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Copperfield was also able to get away with certain bits involving female spectators back in the 80s and 90s. While I have not seen his show in decades, I wonder if he still gets flirtatious with the ladies?

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Not when I saw him in Vegas 4 years ago, but of course prior to that he had an unfounded sex accusation against him. 


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