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KenTheriot

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Does anyone do any tricks using the muscle pass other than just showing it as its own thing? It's become such a popular deal to just demo, say, the "anti-gravity coin" because it's cool. But there is do much more potential for awesomeness if you don't feature it, but rather use it in the context of a larger effect.

I'd love to hear about anything folks already do in this vein. Anybody doing much with the MP?

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Vanish a coin by muscle passing it to your breast shirt pocket.
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For the best use of MP in larger context, check out Akira Fuji and Shoot Ogawa's coin across.
Shoot's material can be found in few of his DVD, he has a one coin routine utilize Muscle pass in his Cultural exchange DVD
and Akira's material with MP can be found in Japan ingenious
Harry Lorayne also published a Music pass routine in Apocalypse Vol.4, don't remember the name though, is a Coin through table effect.

I sometimes do Akira's 3 Coin across routines to other magician
I have never perform it in front of real audience due to the angle restriction
I believe it can be done.

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Daniel Garcia has a coins through glass routine called, "Quarters" on his Daniel Garcia Project DVD set.

Let me see if I can find a video of him performing it.

I can muscle pass a half dollar, but can't do it with quarters. Can you?

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I can't do a muscle pass with any coin. I've tried for years and i just can't do it. But I'm going to keep trying.
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I originally learned the move specifically for topiting purposes.
Not long ago I also came up with an idea for a complete coin vanish, or a clean up for an extra coin using it (this is written up in the secrets area at Magicbunny).


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Daniel Garcia has a coins through glass routine called, "Quarters" on his Daniel Garcia Project DVD set.

Let me see if I can find a video of him performing it.

I can muscle pass a half dollar, but can't do it with quarters. Can you?

Rudy


Rudy,

Thanks for the tip. Quarters are difficult for me, but I CAN do them. I have been mindlessly practicing the MP with a half-dollar just about every day for over a year. And still the smaller coins (and the larger ones too) are not as reliable as the half-dollar. this is one case where having the mutant large hands does not come in handy[smile].

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Thanks for all the ideas, everyone! Looks like more additions to the magic library. I need to take up dealing drugs or something to support my magic habit[wink].

Cheers!

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Daniel Garcia has a coins through glass routine called, "Quarters" on his Daniel Garcia Project DVD set.

Let me see if I can find a video of him performing it.

I can muscle pass a half dollar, but can't do it with quarters. Can you?

Rudy


How are Daniels DVD's? I've been thinking of picking up a set because I've read that he creates magic that's in the same style but superior to paul harris who has always been a favorite of mine.
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I understand the video of Ponta the Smith requires quite a bit of muscle pass ability
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I understand the video of Ponta the Smith requires quite a bit of muscle pass ability


I have it - "Sick" is probably the one you mean. He doesn't do as much as you might think. He uses it in one 3-Fly along with a fingertip muscle pass (Kainoa Harbottle). Still pretty cool though.

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Sick, yes, that's it. I've never seen it, maybe I'll get it some day
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I've belived for years I couln't do it, but I am starting to make headway.  My progress has been by getting advised to use a larger coin, I'm practicing with a Morgan Dollar now (a larger palming coin works too.)   the other thing was, I always had the first skin to release the coin being distant from my thumb, which would make the coin squirt out to the side.  Letting the thumb side release first make all the upwards distance. 

Mind you, I still can't do it... but I'm getting closer.  I can kind of get a small flip above my palm.  I hope some of that helps.
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The muscle pass.  It's just one of those moves.  Some use it as a demo to show how clever they are, and in other cases it's used invisibly on the fly. I don't use is as I've never gotten it to the point of not looking like a coin being popped out of my palm.  But I would use it as more of an invisible move within a routine.  Years ago I saw John Cornelius do the coin through glass door, I've never seen so many people look dumbfounded.  His DVD on the muscle pass with Michael Ammar is one of if not the first on the muscle pass.  Well worth looking up.  

As for the DVD Sick, it's pretty amazing to watch Ponta do his stuff.  The performances are amazing, but when in the explanation part, they shoot over his shoulder... all I could do is laugh.  He's got a lot of things going on, way beyond me.
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Yeah, i had a feeling his stuff was out of my reach
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Late to the party again.

Ken, take a look at the Joe Rindfleisch Coin DVD. Lots of MP in that. Don't have the exact title but it's an L&L DVD.


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Some of you were talking about Ponta The Smith and his excellent coin magic... which is so difficult that you need to practice A LOT in order to maintain the level. I say this because on the first EMC (Essential Magic Conference) he was one of the speakers and he performed some of the magic from his DVD and he flashed 1 or 2 times! (He didn't use the MP) I don't know if he hadn't practiced enough, if he was nervous, maybe the wrong camera angle, or a mixture of all of them.

What am I trying to get at? The muscle pass is one of those things that you need to use all the time (openly or secretly) or not at all.


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Is the muscle pass something that's attainable by everyone through practice?   I never tried before but it looks pretty cool but i was reading you have to develop callous in part of your hand to really pull it off, that doesn't sound pleasant
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I've worked on the MP on and off over the years-mainly with an Eisenhower. The whole "coin that falls up" bit is fun, but I think that bits best use is integrated within a routine as an eye popper and then you keep moving through your routine.

I've used a related move in my stage manipulation work. Best described as kind of a "slap back transfer" which I used in my Miser's Dream.

I know there's routines utilizing the MP secretly which, to me, seems best though highly specialized and, perhaps, not a boatload worth.

To me, there's many great coin routines which do not use the MP and still require skilled sleight of hand. So, that's what I personally go with.
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Hi John. Is your Miser's Dream written up anywhere?

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I've done a version of the coin through glass door before, and it's pretty cool.  I also do the "anti-gravity" coin, but I use a story like "have you ever seen an invisible frog hair?" (then I play on whatever their answer is).  I reach into my pocket and say, "can you see it?".  Then depending if they say yes or no I use one of these responses "Neither can I"  or  "You can?  Cool, I want whatever you're having".  Then I pretend to wrap the frog hair around the coin, and place it into my hand, then I hold my other hand above and snap my fingers and make the coin jump.  After I do that 2 or 3 times, then I say, "I'm just joking, it's a rubber coin" while I do the rubber coin move then drop it onto the table clinking around.

John Carney had showed or mentioned at a lecture years ago.  I'm not recalling if it was his idea or someone else.  But the left hand would grab on to the top of a glass tumbler and hold it sideways, and the other hand would muscle pass the coin and it would "penetrate" the bottom of the glass.  Basically the muscle pass would cause the coin to hit the palm of the hand holding the glass, and bounce off into the glass.

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