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rready -- Hello!  That control really works -- a very economical way to handle that situation.  The simplest moves done well really look great -- fair and casual!  Thanks for sharing that here -- I'll definitely use it in the future -- johnny
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Thanks, Johnny. What I like about the control is that both cards start off in the middle of the deck together and then end up on opposite ends.
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Thanks rready!

I'll have to look this up and give it a try with Double Finders as you suggested.

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Not to "rain on the parade" but wouldn't a shift from a break between the two cards get there instantly?

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Not to "rain on the parade" but wouldn't a shift from a break between the two cards get there instantly?

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Indeed it would. So too would a simple/straight cut, which, of course is what a pass is.

I do use the simple/straight cut for this purpose, but I know (suspect) that the majority of magicians feel exposed doing something so blindingly "obvious".
Not me, though.  [smile]

However, back at the main event, as others have noted, it's a very workable method. I have a couple of Lewis Jones books and I think I'll have a rummage through them just for fun. Thanks for reminding me.
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Not to "rain on the parade" but wouldn't a shift from a break between the two cards get there instantly?

Mike


As I was walked through this with a deck of cards, I saw that you simply need to cut at the break to get each one of those to the top and bottom of the pack.

When I saw rready's video, I couldn't quite see what he was doing and it was the triple-cut that he did that threw me off.

A pass or simple cut at the break would accomplish the goal, but I do like that triple cut to the table.

Thanks for chiming in Mike!

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I just now saw Blathermist's post. I didn't mean to make a redundant statement. :-)
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I just now saw Blathermist's post. I didn't mean to make a redundant statement. :-)

Hi Rudy.
I spend my life making redundant statements!!  It's how I've built up my "post-count". [smile] [wink]
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Very nice rready. I like it. Quite disarming.
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Neat. Always good to add another card control to the tool box
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Easy and deceiving, thanks rready.

I've worked a bit on this control and it's quite trivial to modify it so that both cards end up together either to bottom or top.

For example, to get both cards to bottom, all you have to do is to get a break under the left hand card (easy to get after showing it) and in the process of the triple cut add it to bottom of right hand packet while the 1st cut is performed. It'll take a tiny bit of practice to get it right and flowing.

As I said above, it's also easy to adjust the control to get both cards to top.

All in all, an easy and versatile control of 2 cards.
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What book is this from?
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Luvisi,

             It is in Card Party. Glad you guys liked it. Lewis Jones books, I would recommend to anyone.
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As a slight modification of the original question, what would you use if the two cards were not initially adjacent in the deck - for example, two volunteers each choose a card, the cards are returned to the deck, then controlled so that one is on top and one is on the bottom.

All kinds of variations:
    - cards are returned at the same time
            - inserted into different locations in the fanned deck  (with a switch, without a switch)
            - inserted into different locations in the spread deck
            - etc
    - cards are returned individually
            - each is dropped into the deck during an overhand shuffle
            - first card inserted into the deck (fanned, spread, corner riffled, etc), which is then shuffled before the second card is returned
            - each card is inserted into half the deck, then the two halves are recombined
            - etc

Every performer will have their own preference - I would be interested in hearing what TMFers would use.

I think one goal should be to avoid any suggestion that the two cards are ever next to each other - so I am eliminating any method where both cards are openly placed on top of the deck or returned to the deck at the same spot.  Another goal is to minimize the handling - it should seem that nothing more than a cut or a single shuffle happens after the cards are returned (or even that nothing happens at all).

A multiple shift is one solution ... but for Simon Aronson fans (I know you are out there!) I think the Steve Bedwell Control that Simon teaches in Art Decko is a very nice option.  The cards are freely selected and each is tossed back into the deck as it is dribbled to the table.
           
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Robin, I actually thought about this for one of the effects from the Book Club meetings where one selection needed to be controlled to the top and one selection controlled to the bottom.  For me, I would spread the cards and have the first selection taken from the deck (or shown by breaking the spread) by the spectator then replaced, cull it to the bottom while continuing to spread for the second selection, then culling that selection to the bottom after being replaced as well.  After squaring the deck, slip shuffle to keep one selection on bottom and shuffle the other selection to the top.  
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That's a really efficient solution - I like it.
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Robin, I actually thought about this for one of the effects from the Book Club meetings where one selection needed to be controlled to the top and one selection controlled to the bottom.  For me, I would spread the cards and have the first selection taken from the deck (or shown by breaking the spread) by the spectator then replaced, cull it to the bottom while continuing to spread for the second selection, then culling that selection to the bottom after being replaced as well.  After squaring the deck, slip shuffle to keep one selection on bottom and shuffle the other selection to the top.  


I was going to post on similar lines until I saw your post. Any 'convincing control" of two cards to the bottom then concluding as you say. Nothing wrong with Lewis's method though, he's a clever guy.
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Luvisi,

             It is in Card Party. Glad you guys liked it. Lewis Jones books, I would recommend to anyone.


Thank you.

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Another option for when the cards are separated in the deck:

 

Hold a pinky break above the lowest selection in the deck and hold a third finger break below the selection highest in the deck.
Now just do a triple cut to the table cutting at your breaks. 

- First cut will move the highest selection to the bottom
- Second cut will remove all the middle cards leaving the lowest selection on top of the packet in your hand
- Third cut leaves the lowest selection on the top of the tabled deck


I've always liked this casual cut control. 

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Just saw a nice one in Aldo Colombini's  vol. 2  on his dvd, Impromtu Card Magic. He says it's  from Peter Duffie and Robin Robertson from  an idea by Karl Fulves shuffle control. Does anyone here know where the control may be published? I'll try to post a video of it tomorrow.
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Just saw a nice one in Aldo Colombini's  vol. 2  on his dvd, Impromtu Card Magic. He says it's  from Peter Duffie and Robin Robertson from  an idea by Karl Fulves shuffle control. Does anyone here know where the control may be published? I'll try to post a video of it tomorrow.


What was the name of it?
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Chi,

The trick is called Divertimento. Aldo just said on the control it was from Peter Duffie and Robin Robertson.

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