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Looks good. Have you ever played with the No Lap Switch?
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Thanks Trini. Yes I like Dingle's No-Lap Switch a lot.
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Hey Magicfish!

The snap when you strip out the cards-- didn't that come from Jim Swain in Don't Blink? I seem to remember Swain commenting that he didn't like the move until he learned about the snap from Larry Jennings.

I'm saying this for two reasons:

1) I want to see if my memory is still functioning.

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2) I wanted to know what your opinion of the snap is. Is it necessary? Does how loud/soft it is matter? And how does it make the move more deceptive?

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Hi Steven,

ad 1: your memory is still working, it is a finesse described by James Swain in that mentioned book and he stressed the importance of the "snap-sound". Thank you for pointing that way, overread it the first couple of times because I hardly use this technique (just in two or three routines). I will try it!

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I love beginners and intermediate students but I hope nobody minds if I express delight in conversing with such knowledgeable cardicians.
It is indeed from Don't Blink, Steven.
"In the late 1980's I had the pleasure of seeing Larry Jennings perform Vernon's Stripout Addition in the context of a four ace routine. To say that I was completely stunned would be an understatement. Despite knowing the move, Jennings' handling looked absolutely impossible. An important element had been added, one that turned the move into a miracle.
Jennings kindly revealed the method, and informed me that this was how Vernon had taught him the move... Although the Vernon Stripout Addition has seen print numerous times (including Jennings' own The Cardwright), the important element has been glossed over, a situation I hope the following description will rectify."
- Jim Swain, Don't Blink pg.75

I've tried to do the move due justice as described by Swain.

How do I feel about the snap? Good question.
I feel that there is validity in it adding to the move's deception when using this approach for sure.

I didn't see Jennings or Vernon do it so I've been experimenting with the force of the snap for a little while.

The move in the video is isolated and should flow into the context of a trick of course, but overall I think Vernon has a masterfully constructed sleight here.

I will continue to strive to do it justice.





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As you work on it, if the answers to any of the following questions show up, please let me know!
I'd love to know who this bit was thought of and developed the idea. Perhaps if we could
isolate the reasons, the concepts could be expanded and used in other sleights. When I read
this in Swain's notes, I could not figure out why it worked so well.

Do we know anything about why the snap seems to add to it's deceptiveness?
Do we know what it's covering? Noise, Visuals or both?
Are we sure it's the snap and not the motion?
Or anything else you might learn about it!

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I love beginners and intermediate students but I hope nobody minds if I express delight in conversing with such knowledgeable cardicians.





allow me to give you an INTERMEDIATE STUDENT (ME) feedback.

do not put emphasis on the strip just on the UOTJOGS and once you finished outjoging look at some spectator at the same time you say... HEY SIR

at this stage you allready stiped out the cards (with a gentle wrist move ... not hand.. this is gonna make a sound too ) and now that you have the cards striped but near the deck (almost on tje same place they where before) you need to give phisical space .. for this just gesture towards the same spectator with the lil packet and ask : can you help me on this ? (or something like that)

remember to look at tje cards for upjog them and then do the adobe looking at the spectator.

now i believecyou have all more covered form a phisical an psicological point of view [smile]
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another intermediate student  iddea. why dont you try to look what can happen if instead of taking out the cards you take out the deck?  maibe in this situation is not the best iddea but maibe if you just need that packet for a packet trick or something it can be good !

 

 

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Thanks nicolas, you're definitely on the right path.
As I said, this is a deliberately isolated sleight in the sleights section. But you're absolutely correct, If and when Im using this in "real life", the outjogs would be the focus and the strip out would be done as I engage the spectators.
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Swain adds this:
"Remember to strip the Aces upward, and the proper sound will be produced."
And,
"One of the disarming things about this move is its speed. It is over in a split second, with no one being the wiser. You may have to practice it a hundred times to get the proper feel, but please don't let that daunt you. The move has devastated every magician I've shown it to, and is as powerful a tool in cardmagic as you will find.
Give it the practice it deserves, and you will have a friend for life."

I agree wholeheartedly with Swain here.

Steven, my upward snap may be only slightly more aggressive than necessary (maybe) but I agree with Swain (and Jennings and Vernon) that the upward snap is a key element. It has a naturalness to it.
Magicians tend to elegantly spin out their outjogged cards softly into the right hand using the left fingers as fulcrum (which I do quite often as well)
I think that once the cards are outjogged, and as you engage the onlookers you strip out the *four* cards with a bit of an upward thrust, there is both a visual and audible sell for the spectators even if they are making direct eye contact with you.
They dont feel as though they need to look back down at the deck to see what youre doing. Psychologically they "know" what you are doing. You're stripping out four random cards.
They can see it, and they can hear it.

As for my execution, I'll keep striving to replicate exactly the illusion Vernon intended.
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For an interesting variation of Vernon's Strip-out Addition see the Ribbon Spread Strip-out Addition from Too Hot for the Devil ( ref. p. 33). 
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For an interesting variation of Vernon's Strip-out Addition see the Ribbon Spread Strip-out Addition from Too Hot for the Devil ( ref. p. 33). 

Tom is there a video demo of the move? I was looking and saw this awesome move here:
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Wow.  That's impressive.
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Sorry for the off topic, but quickly, Tom's books are definitely worth the study. 
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Aronson's funsky four-for-four switch. Art Decko (2014 p. 30-36)

Aronson suggests it's best utility is as a force.

Aronson refers Dingle's Nolap Switch and Stephen Hobbs' Subterranean Switch.

I think my switch above is too clumsy. Once the strip-out is completed the left hand should place the deck down on it's own. I have an annoying little double movement I'm trying to get rid of.

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