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After reading so many posts and threads on magic and mentalism I am beginning to wonder, what is your definition of a mentalist?
 
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Some might include answers of mental acuity. Others may mention hypnosis. Although I believe mentalist may demonstrate these skills, I tend to agree with Luke Jermay. He has stated a few different times that mentalism comes back to Q&A. So this means, at least in my opinion, mentalism is mind reading
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In the UK at least most people understand the term to mean someone who performs Derren Brown styled effects - and it appears to me that a lot of guys and girls have taken their lead from his original shows.

CMR, Hypnosis, PIN divinations, Rock, Paper, Scissors, eliciting memories with CR, etc.

Even the presentational angle most performers seem to use nowadays is based on Derren's work - NLP and knowledge of body language being the main ones...

And in America you even had a TV series called the Mentalist which again is very much based on the way Derren Brown performs.

To my way of thinking this is just the work of a magician utilizing his/her skills to perform tricks with a mind-reading presentation.
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To me anyways, I think a mentalist is someone who deals in the psychic arts either PK, remote viewing etc.

I remember Kreskin on tv back in the 70's with his own show and his apperances on other talk shows and that's how I was exposed to mentalism and his brand of it.

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Ormond McGill is a great influence for many of the old school mind-readers, as is Orville Meyer - studying the works of these two alone will allow you to create real miracles without resorting to any trickery.

Harry Lorayne is another great guy to study if you'd like to present real mental magic.

"I firmly believe that of all the Arts and Crafts of Mentalism, there is nothing more satisfying than one who is a first-class Reader. It is the ultimate in Mentalism..." - Tony Corinda
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It's the guy on TV who helps his cop friend solve cases. 
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I've always thought of it as Mind-Reading or Prediction (guess which hand it's in...  guess which bag it's under...  guess what is written on this paper/slate...  I knew you were going to pick ______, then reveal it based on something at the beginning of the routine...  your credit card number is...).  However, I think it is not limited to what I just typed...  but you already knew that.
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The Luke Jermay interview and article in this month's Genii opened my eyes regarding mentalism. A very interesting and revelatory read.
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Patrick Jane is certainly one of the best mentalists I have ever seen, and some folk say he is also heavily influenced by the work of Luke Jermay.
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Patrick Jane is very good, but really no better than Monk or Columbo. Different presentations, related methods.

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Patrick Jane is very good, but really no better than Monk or Columbo. Different presentations, related methods.



An interesting observation! Thinking through the list, I cannot recall a single fictional detective, crime fighter, or solver-of-mysteries who didn't, to one extent or another, use techniques that are commonly found in the mentalist's toolbox. Why, even Andy Griffith, in his portrayal of hayseed philosopher and sheriff of Mayberry, was an intuitive who used his insights and observations of others to keep the peace and quell the occasional uprising.
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For the most part I didn't get the feeling that Patrick Jane was a mentalist. I just didn't see it episode too episode.
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