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I like to keep it simple, it's a newspaper prediction effect from Richard Osterlind's Easy To Master Mental Miracles dvd called Koran's Headline Prediction.

I wonder why Derren Brown  doesn't like prediction effects, well, he says so in his book Pure Effect.

What say you?

PS: Another prediction effect I like comes from Larry Becker it's his Casino Royal from Stunners Plus.
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I don't have a favorite, because I like predictions in general and use a few in my stand up act. I prefer multi-phase predictions that build or three part predictions. 

I have the Koran Headline prediction from when it was marketed separately by Supreme Magic many years ago. Played with it but never used it in performance. Apparently based on an idea of the late Edmund Rowland a  mathematics teacher who lived in a neighboring town when I was in the UK. If I recall correctly, I think there's also a version in T A Waters Mind Myth and Magick. 

There is a clip of Koran performing it on the Ed Sullivan TV show on the web. Here's the link, third effect in. Good to see Koran work there, no long boring preamble or explanations, but three of his classic strong effects in six minutes.


 



Only headline prediction I ever did was a simple Al Mann idea, though I incorporated an old Anderson/Rutledge idea of sketching the front page of the newspaper. 

Actually, "Dream Vision" might be my favorite, based on an idea of Wilbur Kattner's. Here'a a clip of Copperfield performing it from years back. Quality of clip is not great and music terrible. Great effect.
 




 


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Thank you very much for posting those videos! I don't have any idea how Copperfield did that lol, hey, I guess that what makes him David Copperfield.

Also, the first effect Al did is on the same dvd as the Newspaper prediction, it's called Koran's Medallion i.e it's on the Richard Osterlind's dvd.

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Yep, Koran's Medallion  is in the first book on his mentalism "Al Koran's Professional Presentations" by Hugh Miller. There have been some updated versions by others since but the original still works just fine. I even once published a version by Arthur Setterington.

The blackboard routine WAS a marketed effect by Andre Kole(it cost thousands) but was based on an idea earlier described by Wilbur Kattner. Definitely a stage  routine.

If you can find any booklets by Kattner they are worth reading.

And....I've used "Casino Royale" myself in the past. [smile] one of Larry's best.
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I like Kismet Connection by Ted Lesley, and Clubble by T.A. Waters.


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I like Kismet Connection by Ted Lesley, and Clubble by T.A. Waters.


Kismet Connection is good using Norman Houghton's envelope. Not familiar with Clubble, must have bypassed it in "Mind Myth and Magick"?
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Yes Paul, it is in Water's big book.
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Yes Paul, it is in Water's big book.


I looked it up, but it's not a prediction. I probably bypassed it as I'd come across and used similar ideas before with the choice and chance theme with cards. 
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Chronologue. A very strong prediction effect.

https://www.vikingmagic.com/product/chronologue/

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I've never been a huge fan of prediction effects. I use a few of them here and there, but I have never really dived too deep into the subject. My favorite mentalist David Hoy had some really interesting claims and methods on prediction effects. 


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Nathan,

Do you do more telepathy types of effects then ?

Derren Brown doesn't like prediction effects either.
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Yes, Logan!

Most if not all of my effects are based on the idea of telepathy and intuition. 

I like watching and learning prediction effects, but I'm not a huge fan of performing them. I just haven't found the right presentation to justify me using it.

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Yes, Logan!

Most if not all of my effects are based on the idea of telepathy and intuition. 

I like watching and learning prediction effects, but I'm not a huge fan of performing them. I just haven't found the right presentation to justify me using it.


It all depends on the image/character you're trying to portray, Koran in the clip posted above does three predictions one after the other. When Derren shot to fame he was suggesting  a lot of what he did as NLP etc. so standard predictions wouldn't fit, he might have used the techniques but reframed them. 

Rather than seeing into the future, the 'prediction' may simply be proof you influenced someone's actions. 

Seeing into the future is not as easily acceptable by people as psychological influence is (IMHO). 

Also a lot of predictions are just a force. Card predictions are the weakest type of predictions in mentalism I think. Doesn't mean they cannot play well, but probably play better in a card magic context. Having said that though, if you get the suspension of belief pretty much anything is acceptable. Some mentalists have done the linking finger rings in their act.
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Some mentalists have done the linking finger rings in their act.


Al Koran for one. [wink]
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Al Koran for one. [wink]


and The Amazing Kreskin

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I'v long thought that the longer you keep the "prediction" part of the trick from view, the better off you are.

I always thought "I have a prediction" is a crummy way to begin a trick. Those that defer the revelation of the prediction element, like Koran's Medallion, are far better tricks.

Actually, I really like Osterlind's walking out and taking 3 numbers and then revealing them on a card was nearly the perfect way to begin a mentalism set. Hey, the crowd went wild!

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Mr. Hallas, 

I actually use a card prediction in my close up mentalism set. I built a premise that makes sense (for me) and engages the audience. Outside of my PK touches and coin bend, the prediction is one of the most talked about effects in my repertoire. It's something I am so proud of. 

I occasionally use predictions, but I have never really fallen in love with them. I think it can come across as "too perfect" when a performer guesses the lottery numbers or headline of a newspaper. That's just my opinion, and it may change one day. 



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and The Amazing Kreskin

And Richard Osterlind
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