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KenTheriot

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I recently decided I was going to tackle Ponta the Smith's Spellbound routine. Hah!! That is going to take a few months :-P. 

In the meantime, I thought I'd like to learn a different Spellbound routine that I might actually be able to do in a couple of weeks. I looked at Dave Roth's, but I don't like it. I've never been a fan of his back clip, mostly because I just don't seem to be able to do it well I think. Plus it really requires you AND your spectator to be standing up or you get killed by the angles.

So.....I thought I'd ask if folks here had a favorite Spellbound routine that were NOT the two I just mentioned.
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I think you should go to the original Vernon's Spellbound routine from Stars of Magic. Then from there you can decide what you can or want to do. The original effect has the Vernon Touch and it can be enough for you. If you decide you want something more, then you can explore other routines, but you should try the original first and go from there, I think. 
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R.paul Wilson has a nice one. And it's on library.com for five or six dollars. He has a sleepy way of presenting things, but the work is great.
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Sorry, lybrary
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There are a variety of handlings and moves in Richard Kaufman's Coin Magic in a section devoted to Spellbound. I also second Luigimar's suggestion. 

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I think you should go to the original Vernon's Spellbound routine from Stars of Magic. Then from there you can decide what you can or want to do. The original effect has the Vernon Touch and it can be enough for you. If you decide you want something more, then you can explore other routines, but you should try the original first and go from there, I think. 


Awesome, thanks! I have Stars of Magic right here. I'll check it out.


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R.paul Wilson has a nice one. And it's on library.com for five or six dollars. He has a sleepy way of presenting things, but the work is great.


Thanks. Off to Lybrary I go!
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There are a variety of handlings and moves in Richard Kaufman's Coin Magic in a section devoted to Spellbound. I also second Luigimar's suggestion. 

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Thanks! I have that one too. I have a lot of books that I have not thoroughly consumed :-).
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Oh I like the R. Paul Wilson one! And really easy - a lot of bang for the buck(s) :-).
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Cool. Glad you liked it.
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Chris Kenner's Hellbound Spellbound is fun. Takes some getting used to, but it's awesome
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Simon Aronson has a nice version in one of his "Sessions" DVDs. Also a few years back I bought a relatively no-sleight, gimmicked version at Tannen's called "Monster Spellbound". Magick Balay does a nice demo of it here: http://tannensmagic.corecommerce.com/monster-spellbound.html

It's a bit overpriced and the instruction that comes with it is crap, but I have gotten good reactions with the effect.
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Interesting. I associate Simon Aronson so much with card magic. I'll check that out. Thanks.
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Chris Kenner's Hellbound Spellbound is fun. Takes some getting used to, but it's awesome


Is that in Totally Out of Control? I think I need that one - though I have promised myself  "no more magic books!" Sigh. I can't help myself.

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I just checked. It is in Simon's Session VOLUME 2 DVD "Quadruple Spellbound"

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Ken, yes, it's in that book. 
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I just checked. It is in Simon's Session VOLUME 2 DVD "Quadruple Spellbound"



Thanks!
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Ken, yes, it's in that book. 

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R.paul Wilson has a nice one. And it's on library.com for five or six dollars. He has a sleepy way of presenting things, but the work is great.


Got a question about this routine. He spends a bit of time prior to the explanation talking about how in Glasgow, Scotland, it is super important to end clean - to no have 2 coins in your hands, because "if Glaswegians think there is an extra coin, they're going to tell you there's an extra coin." He actually says the entire routine was created to solve this one problem!

But he doesn't go over how to end with just one coin does he? Am I missing something?
 
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I sleeve one, can't recall what he does, sorry. I'll have to check It out again. It's also in his book omerta
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Thanks Michael. In looking for Omerta, I don't see it. It says:
  • TIPLESS - a silk to note routine that will fool the wise guys and a perfect opening effect.

  • MISSED IN THE MIST - two coins appear, melt away and reappear before vanishing again.

  • WISE GUYS - an instant, commercial collectors.

  • THE CONCAM INCIDENT - a powerful, baffling two deck routine that Paul has recently returned to his professional act.

  • D-GENERATE GAMBLERS - a funny, entertaining blackjack demonstration.

  • THE JAZZ TWO STEP - two ahead is better than one in this baffling version of Jazz Aces.

  • CONCAM RENDEZVOUS - a real fooler using Elmsley's "Penelope Principle".

  • PITHLEAVIS ACES - the progenitor of Paul's "Back Four" ace production plot.

  • ANTIPATHY - use the "Antifaro" to fool people badly.

  • 8CARDBW+2 - Nick Trost's classic effect with more cards and a great display.

  • BACK INTO TIME - Roy Walton's brilliant Travellers In Time

  • INSLOW COPPER SILVER - one of the best copper silver transpositions routines with three powerful phases.

  • DF REVELATION - a hand-drawn prediction proves to have more than one dimension.

  • THREE BITS ON THE BAND - touches and refinements for rubber band magic.

  • FECH ME? FECH YOU! - Fechter's classic transposition with four cards.

  • THE CAMEL'S BACK - a baffling bar stunt that can be repeated over and over.

  • LOCATION LESS POSSIBLE - a simple fooler that baffles magicians.


    Is it possible it's in another book?

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It's Inslow copper silver
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Aha! OK, thanks!!
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On his site it's only 8 bucks. Missed in the mist is another good coin routine. It's similar to Larry Jennings the hook. But with no shell
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Actually it's $10. The "buy" buttons are super confusing and appear right next to the title of the ebook below them :-P. So I bought Across The Void for $8. That's OK though, since it's also coin magic :-). NOW I'm buying Omerta.

Thanks so much for the info!
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Michael - Inslow Copper Silver is definitely not the same routine on the Lybrary video that he calls "Spellbound to Please." Inslow Copper Silver uses 3 coins and involves placing a coin in a spectator's hand.

Possible the Spellbound routine is in another book? I did a few Google Searches and couldn't find it anywhere except in Extreme Possibilities 4, which I assume is where the video on Lybrary.com came from.
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Dang it all, sorry about that. Didnt mean to steer you wrong. [frown]
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im getting everything wrong . i better shut up
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No worries, Michael. I've been wanting to get some material from RPW and now I have.
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Ken, have you checked out Inferential by Kainoa Harbottle, not technically a Spellbound though.  
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No Tom - though I have been hugely influenced by Kainoa's stuff. I do his version of a 1-coin routine/flurry, as well as his Table Hoppers Quattro. I'll keep an eye out for Inferential.
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I remember Dan Garrett showed me a Spellbound a long time ago.  When I asked about it, he said it was the "hardest damned trick in the notes."  When I asked the name he said that was it.  It's more of a one on one and in his hands was very smooth. He used a couple of holds that were attributed to people that came along a lot further down the road.  
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Michael Eaton has a very nice one that I don't think is too difficult, except possibly the final move.
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Hey Ken,

How was Across the Void?

I am very new to coin magic but want gaffless effects.

I have one Wild Coin routine from Jeff Copeland but looking for a Spellbound and Coins across.

Thanks!
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Eric,

I've been out of town for over 2 weeks, so I haven't had time to go through Across the Void yet. 

Welcome to coin magic :-). I, too, am mainly drawn toward gaffless effects. I use a shell sometimes. But the vast majority of my coin magic uses no gaffs. 

I have several coins across faves, mostly gaffless. the first real coin trick that seemed like real magic was Tenkai Pennies (usually done with quarters or half-dollars these days). You just need 2 coins. Here is a video of me doing it: http://www.themagiciansforum.com/post/my-tenkai-pennies-8678598

I also love Mr. Clean Coins Across (Jay Sankey), which uses the same underlying "move" as Tenkai Pennies. 

If you have a table, Winged Silver is pretty great - also gaffless.

I also do Roth's Shell Coins Across, which as the name suggests, uses a shell.

As for Spellbound routines, this thread is a good source for that. I initially learned David Roth's. But there are several things I don't like about it, especially the angles. I really like R. Paul Wilson's Spellbound to Please.

I hope that gives you at least somewhere to start.

(Edited by Luigimar to turn the link into a live one)
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Thanks Ken!

I'll take a look.

Eric
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